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post #16 of 22
2/10/05 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by setmenu

Have fun, cables can make you insane
There is no logical way a little piece of wire can change sound coloration that much.

So why on earth does my silver-plated copper mini IC sound crisper than the all copper one? This makes no sense at all.

I think you audiophools put something in my drinking water and now I''m infected with the same disease as the rest of you.
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post #17 of 22
2/11/05 at 12:01am
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Originally Posted by Earwax
There is no logical way a little piece of wire can change sound coloration that much.
So why on earth does my silver-plated copper mini IC sound crisper than the all copper one? This makes no sense at all.
It may be that the design of the cable is different. If you get a drastic difference in capacitance or resistance, you may get the highs to sound crisp (high capacitance) or some part of the audio band may be recessed, e.g. thick cables have lower resistance and better bass. It is not quite as black and white as this but this seems to be a rule of thumb. At any rate, I am amazed you are finding a difference.
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post #18 of 22
2/11/05 at 12:51am
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Originally Posted by Earwax
There is no logical way a little piece of wire can change sound coloration that much.

So why on earth does my silver-plated copper mini IC sound crisper than the all copper one? This makes no sense at all.

I think you audiophools put something in my drinking water and now I''m infected with the same disease as the rest of you.

from my own experiences silver and copper sound different. You should give it a try.
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post #19 of 22
2/11/05 at 12:58am
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Originally Posted by luukas

-- Mysticaldodo, there's a mention of the Supra EFF-I on the DIY site which helped me find the cables I listed. It's in Finnish so I'll try to provide a useful translation:
Thanks, I think I'll take your statements. I can't test it since the dealer will have to terminate it first, but theres no complains with my current Canares....
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post #20 of 22
2/11/05 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by seattlepod
It may be that the design of the cable is different. If you get a drastic difference in capacitance or resistance, you may get the highs to sound crisp (high capacitance) or some part of the audio band may be recessed, e.g. thick cables have lower resistance and better bass. It is not quite as black and white as this but this seems to be a rule of thumb. At any rate, I am amazed you are finding a difference.
On the surface variations between cables of their LCR values seems to make
sense until one realizes that the small values involved with most ICs [especially very short ones] would not have any effect on the audio band unless being fed from very high source impedances etc.
As I have previously mentioned, I seem to have perceived differences in cable sound that compare in magnitude to those i perceive when making fine
adjustments to a passive filter with component values designed to work
in the audio band..
When one considers the different materials and configurations cables are made
from it would seem logical that a signal should be affected in some minute
way by such variations but I as far as I know I do not believe any measurements have shown any concrete results as to what may have changed to actually create an audible difference.

There are many loooong and heated threads over at : www.diyaudio.com that discuss these matters.

And on the subject of insanity.
At the moment I am preferring the economy maplin ICs over the siltech silver in my portable rig.
But I also prefer some of what the the silver do over the copper sooo
as I use a passive eq network to tune my ETYs sound , I could tweak it to
adjust for the shortcomings [to my ear] of the silver thus eliminate the shortcoming of using the copper.................

Insane.


Setmenu
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post #21 of 22
2/11/05 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by RnB180
from my own experiences silver and copper sound different. You should give it a try.
Did you read my whole post or just the first line. I said I did try swapping cables. And I thought I heard a difference.

But, now I've tried again, and the difference between these mini ICs has disappeared. The whole thing is inconclusive to me. It takes too much time to swap cables and re-cue the player to the same spot. Even a few seconds is enough to loose these minute differences.
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post #22 of 22
2/11/05 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Earwax
Did you read my whole post or just the first line. I said I did try swapping cables. And I thought I heard a difference.

But, now I've tried again, and the difference between these mini ICs has disappeared. The whole thing is inconclusive to me. It takes too much time to swap cables and re-cue the player to the same spot. Even a few seconds is enough to loose these minute differences.
Sorry I misread your post. I was able to hear subtle differences between both cables. I was interested enough to constantly swap cables back and forth listening to the same 10 second piano snippet and female vocals clip.

I hear a difference on a 320 bit rate mp3 and shure e2cs maybe its psycho acoustics? but its enough for me to prefer the copper.

Its odd that there are many that can here the differences in audio signature due to metal material
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