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post #16 of 25
1/25/05 at 3:29pm
I don't really play any games with my 0404, so I would be guessing. But since the emu 0404 and 1212 both use the 10k chip, which is the same one used in almost the entire creative internal soundcards sicne the Live series, I would say that they would work better for games than the standard drivers.

As to your headphone question, Sensaura used to do something with headphones, but I never figured out whether games actually used it or not. When I had my TB Santa Cruz you could customize the headphone settings which a bunch of music files that tested for virtual spatialization or something like that.

I don't know if A3d is suported with the 0404 or any of the creative series, maybe someone else knows. But as far as I know, EAX seems to be the only dominate 3d sound processing left out of them all.

Qsound is a 3d enhancer I believe, designed for speakers too close to each other to seems wider apart then they actually are. I've heard it and think it is a nice concept, nothing I would use though. I know that they dub it as 3d sound enchancer, and do have something to enchance surround sound, like Prologic II, but I wonder how effective it is?
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post #17 of 25
1/25/05 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by mattpwill
Does A3D work in Half-Life 1 with the EMU 0404?
Probably not.

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Does EAX just add reverb or is it a good 3D surround processor?
The same dsp is used as in 0404/1212m.
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Is A3d or any other wavetracing technology being brought out to compete with Creative's EAX?
Wavetracing is inherently more complex to setup for game programmers, so I don't think so. EAX is pretty easy compared.

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Why aren't Creative being sued for being monopolistic in PC 3D game sound?
There is Terratec and Hercules, but they don't even try.
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Is QSound good?
QSound was amazing in a very old game called Terra Nova.
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post #18 of 25
1/25/05 at 4:04pm
Thread Starter 
With the EAX, is it good at HRTF?

With Creative monopoly, I mean for HRTF sound market, not sound card market although they do kind of come hand in hand, as it seems the only gamer's choice ATM.

I'm interested in getting the best and most realistic 3D sound from headphones, as these can recreate the full 360 3D image, unlike speakers. If Creative had competition to EAX that game creators could choose from, then the world of gaming could become so immersive and realistic it could be scary (or fun depending on what game you play!!)!

Matt
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post #19 of 25
1/25/05 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by mattpwill
With the EAX, is it good at HRTF?
Not really. Adequate. I can spot if the sound comes from behind and that's enough for me, but it's not nearly as good as hrtf can be.
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With Creative monopoly, I mean for HRTF sound market, not sound card market although they do kind of come hand in hand, as it seems the only gamer's choice ATM.
HRTF is pretty niche.

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If Creative had competition to EAX that game creators could choose from, then the world of gaming could become so immersive and realistic it could be scary (or fun depending on what game you play!!)!
I don't see creative hindering anything. Halflife2 and doom3 have their own algorithms for sound so they could have great HRTF but it isn't simple to program and the demand is pretty low.
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post #20 of 25
1/25/05 at 8:10pm
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I think that once the word spreads demand will get higher. My brother plays online games, and is in teams and stuff, but I would put money on that he doesn't know what HRTF is.

HRTF gives gamers with headphones an advantage over others, and A3D in Half-Life is seen as cheating! It's quite amazing, why doesn't everyone get it then it wouldn't be "cheating"!

Are the solutions by Half-Life 2 and Quake 3 customised engines or A3D engines?
Do they need any special hardware to use HRTF (except a fast PC!) ?

Thanks, this is all very informative. If I wanted the most realistic sound for HL2 would I have to buy a Creative sound card?

Matt
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post #21 of 25
1/25/05 at 8:10pm
Has anyone tried those Pax drivers?? The thought of EAX4.0 on Emu0404 makes me giddy.
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post #22 of 25
1/25/05 at 8:46pm
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Somebody try them, I've downloaded them and it supports EMU DSP, which is 0404 too!!!

http://www.mydrivers.com/dir109/d43679.htm

That's the link. Touch wood!!

This could be a breakthrough...

Matt
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post #23 of 25
1/25/05 at 9:12pm
Thread Starter 
-***- PAX-NewYear v1.2 Installation Note -***-
PAX-NewYear v1.2 New Year version

PAX-NewYear v1.2 for Win2000, WinXP, Win2003, Longhorn (do not support WIN98, WINME and WINNT) produced through modifying Creative official 5.12.10.1042 drivers. Audigy(not Audigy LS), Audigy2, Audigy2¡¢A2 ZS LS(A2 ZS value), Audigy 2 ZS Notebook(Audigy 2 PCMCIA), Audigy2 ZS(not Gateway OEM), Emu-DSP series (not SB Live series) are supported with these drivers.



The drivers include two edits:


Games Edit: Optimized for games to provide good compatibility and stability as Creative official drivers. This edit is gamers' best choices.

Music Edit: Optimized for playing unique and pop music. High, intermediate, and low frequency are processed to be enhanced separating.



Recommendation:
If you are using Windows XP, you would better have at least one NTFS partition on your hard disk (it can be any path). If you have NTFS partition, your volume of analog output will be at least twice higher as the volume without NTFS partition. It suits for headphone, and analog output has improvement with headphone. Turn down your speaker volume (on your speakers) lower than 60% of it before install the drivers.



Features:

-fix conflict when install DVD-AUDIO software under Windows 2003.

-fix mute of front speaker channels on Audigy/Audigy2/Audigy2 ZS platinum sound card.
-A new MIDI device, ¡°Creative SoundFont Synth¡± added on Audigy/Audigy2 /Audigy2 ZS series
-fix several puny bugs of driver installation.

-multi languages supported (no Japanese).



Please uninstall all current drives you are using, unless your system breaks down! Use PAX uninstaller to remove current PAX drivers, do not to use PAX-NewYear v1.2 uninstaller to remove the old drivers on your Operating System.



Special thanks:

-UP0501 provides the method which fixes DVD-AUDIO conflict.

-Classic leon who translates the driver installation program into English.


Produced(Modded) by YouP
Jan, 15th, 2005
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post #24 of 25
1/25/05 at 9:17pm
Thread Starter 
Please report back if they work. You will then need to download some EAX4.0 software I think. Possibly the following, I'm not sure though.

http://soundcard.free-driver-downloa...vanced-HD.html
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post #25 of 25
1/25/05 at 10:57pm
Thread Starter 
How can this guy get so good RMAA results on his Audigy?

http://www.driverheaven.net/showthre...933#post539933

Matt
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