they both suck, boomy bass and lacks clarity
I assume any of the other headphones u mention would be better than them, base on the impressions i read about them and some really really short time with klipsch.
Looking for headphone with good vocals like martin logan mikros 90. The vocals on them are well-separated from the music and stand out, not harsh, but the comfort was big issue. V-MODA XS has similar vocals as I recall, a tiny more laid-back than the 90, but it would still satisfy me, but it can't swivel, which is a downside for me.
Looking for closed back, or iem.