I hear it the same, in stock configuration, as James444 on any gear. CA foam tips are required to tame the sibilance (silicone tips are no, no for me) and a front tip vent mod is required to bring the sub bass down to reasonable levels to become enjoyable to me. I think we can stop trying to invalidate his impressions. It's not his first time around the block. It's not for everyone, and that's ok.