Thanks, you nailed it on the 1) and 2) points, and the bit about the camera rating. Its a bit hard to quantify and keep coherent between different price brackets. And adjusting old review scores over time would be required. I will miss those pies, but may settle for a one line of 5 pies summary. Or none at all. one less headache anyway ;) __________________________________________________________ Now back to the Shozy Alien Gold.