Well if you read it, then you should know that they dont have impactful bass. Joker states many times that sound signatures and preferences vary, so what joker likes may not be your cup of tea. If you want hard hitting bass, try for some atrio X's. They are the atrio m5 in joker's thread, and they are selling for $50 at JR.com. They, however, may not have the clarity youre looking for, but as for the bass, it definately has it.