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Old 02-08-2008, 09:21 PM   #191 (permalink)
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I'm wearing glasses and using Westone UM1, which have very similar design (over-the-ears).
It does not pose any problem at all. The cable of the customs seem to be a bit thicker - but I doubt it be uncomfortable... unless you constantly taking them on and off, perhaps .
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I think he actually meant it without the comma.

Like a burn-in period of time...
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:35 PM   #192 (permalink)
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Default Recieved Custom-3s today

My Custom-3s arrived today. I'm listening now, but not ready to post any impressions yet. I am struggling with getting a seal, which I didn't expect, but I think I'll get that figured out. The bigger issue is that I have some congestion in my head, and my right ear is killing me. I think I'll wait till that clears up, before I try to do any serious evaluation of these earphones. It's painful to listen right now.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:48 PM   #193 (permalink)
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My Custom-3s arrived today. I'm listening now, but not ready to post any impressions yet. I am struggling with getting a seal, which I didn't expect, but I think I'll get that figured out. The bigger issue is that I have some congestion in my head, and my right ear is killing me. I think I'll wait till that clears up, before I try to do any serious evaluation of these earphones. It's painful to listen right now.
Ugh!! I'm dying to hear any / all listening impressions at this point cause I'm waiting for mine. I was hoping to get them today, but I just ordered two days ago... so I guess that was too much to hope for. Get well.....much listening to be done!
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I think he actually meant it without the comma.
So do I.

period= portion of time.
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Armature drivers do not have a burn in period.
I've personally experienced armature burn-in, you can't make an definitve statement like that! With all do respect, I disagree.
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Old 02-08-2008, 11:17 PM   #196 (permalink)
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I've personally experienced armature burn-in, you can't make an definitve statement like that! With all do respect, I disagree.
Mental burn in and warm-up- sure. But there really is no physical burn in for IEMs.

The sound is the same as it is now as it was out of the box- but your perception of the sound has changed as your mind got used to the new sound signature.

I notice when I go form EQ to flat EQ on my er4s', at first they sound thin and analytical, but after just a few short seconds, I can apreciate the new sound.
And again going from flat to EQ- it sounds a tad dark, but I soon adjust to it within seconds.
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OK guys. Thanks for the "glasses" update. TIme to order mine I suppose.(Custom 3, that is, not glasses)
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Mental burn in and warm-up- sure. But there really is no physical burn in for IEMs.

The sound is the same as it is now as it was out of the box- but your perception of the sound has changed as your mind got used to the new sound signature.

I notice when I go form EQ to flat EQ on my er4s', at first they sound thin and analytical, but after just a few short seconds, I can apreciate the new sound.
And again going from flat to EQ- it sounds a tad dark, but I soon adjust to it within seconds.
I understand and agree with those statements, it has happened to me also. I also believe at somewhere between 300 to 400 hrs my Etys took a physical change. I noticed that the harshness that some complain about, went away and treble had more extension and was more pleasant, w/better frequency separation, IMO. I would also like to mention that I used white noise during the burn-in process and I stayed away from bass heavy music, during my times of listening. Now IMO, my ER4Ps' play bass frequencies well.
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I'm pretty sure I've read statements from other IEM manufacturers stating that no burn-in is required for micro-armature drivers.

Micro-armature drivers do not need a burn-in period.
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Micro-armature drivers do not need burn-in, period.

As you prefer!

Perhaps Prof. Thump could weigh-in on the issue?
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Old 02-09-2008, 01:54 AM   #200 (permalink)
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Yikes, that's ironic. Usually the over-the-ear designs tend towards eliminating microphonics.

Perhaps the IMAGE is just very good at reducing microphonic effects? It does seem to come out of the ears at a slight angle, which may prevent the cable from making a big impact.
I will fill you in on a little developmental history of C3 ( I like your new name... Now I can call custom shells what they are...but I digress). Originally we experimented with woven cloth cable on IMAGE. We wanted the quality of the cable to feel old fashion or classical. These early prototypes with cloth cables on IMAGE were very noisy and microphonic but they were also SLA's (Stereo Lythogrophy) so the tails were not soft and added to the noise. So we optimized the tail to attenuate or diffusion the transmission of energy telegraphing up the cable. To improve this further we elected to use the smooth soft cable that you see on IMAGE today. This fixed the cable noise.

For Custom there is natural attenuation of mechanical vibration due to the over ear approach, but it does not totally go away so you MUST CYNCH the cable behind your head. Now you have several points of low Q placement dampening the cable system. If you don't cynch the cable it will be worse. This allowed us to use the cloth cable which is much better at flexing in cold temperatures and give you that high quality tactile feel.

Hope this clears up the noise issue.

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