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Old 07-02-2008, 04:04 PM   #1551 (permalink)
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I am not seeing the beauty your seeing mocok, the kinoptik lense seem to be distorted the background and just focusing on the object. Can't you just do something like that on photoshop?
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:34 PM   #1552 (permalink)
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Enthusia, it's called bokeh The "distortion", that is areas which are out of focus, is done on purpose to isolate the subject. I don't believe you can replicate it on Photoshop to the same extent. I'm sorry if you genuinely meant distortion as in "pincushion/barrel distortion" and hence this being an insult to your intelligence!

Anyhow, the Kinoptik's bokeh is interesting, but not to my liking. I prefer the more buttery smooth to the detailed, high contrast look. The latter makes the picture a little tiring to look at.

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Old 07-02-2008, 08:27 PM   #1553 (permalink)
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Same, the Kinoptic isn't really doing anything for me.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:32 PM   #1554 (permalink)
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Buttery smooth bokeh is my liking as well. 85 1.2... drool.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:44 PM   #1555 (permalink)
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If a smooth bokeh is what is desired, then the kinoptic that was linked is not the ideal choice. The 100$ nikon 70-300G has a smoother bokeh:


(In the background is a sidewalk on top and grass on the bottom)

compared to: http://www.jadecastle.net/lenscatego...340024_std.jpg

On the other hand, it does seem like a fairly sharp lens (at the cost of washed out bokeh), which can be a nice thing to have.
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Old 07-03-2008, 12:35 AM   #1556 (permalink)
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If you cant see the beauty, that's good, you just save yourself close to 2 grand, heheh..

I don't want smooth bokeh like usual, but if you notice the bokeh it's very different altogether, that's why I love it. I will gladly trade my 85 for a Kinoptik 75mm f/2 if someone is dumb enough to do so.

What you called distorted background for me is my dream bokeh.
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:02 AM   #1557 (permalink)
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Milkpowder, that was shot with a 58mm 1.2 Noct Nikkor!
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I do not dislike the out of focus look, it just doesn't entice me, but that bench looks quite wonderful Milkpowder.
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:25 AM   #1559 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Towert7 View Post
If a smooth bokeh is what is desired, then the kinoptic that was linked is not the ideal choice. The 100$ nikon 70-300G has a smoother bokeh:

[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/2454736439_d3cee97083.jpg[img]
(In the background is a sidewalk on top and grass on the bottom)

compared to: http://www.jadecastle.net/lenscatego...340024_std.jpg

On the other hand, it does seem like a fairly sharp lens (at the cost of washed out bokeh), which can be a nice thing to have.
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If you cant see the beauty, that's good, you just save yourself close to 2 grand, heheh..

I don't want smooth bokeh like usual, but if you notice the bokeh it's very different altogether, that's why I love it. I will gladly trade my 85 for a Kinoptik 75mm f/2 if someone is dumb enough to do so.

What you called distorted background for me is my dream bokeh.
I think somewhere in between is good. A total blur is IMO just as undesirable as a bokeh with a lot of overexposed highlights. It seems like the character of the bokeh depends a lot on the background. Some lens are better at 'smudging' certain types of backgrounds than others.

Pictures taken by Mr. Paul Lindqvist using a Zeiss 100/2 makro on a D2x. Note the difference in bokeh depending on the background. All three were taken at F2.




Some more photos taken by Mr. Patrick Colpron with a Nikkor 30/1.4 AI-S. Again, note the difference in bokeh.



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Milkpowder, that was shot with a 58mm 1.2 Noct Nikkor!
That certainly rings a bell! Judging by how crazy some people are about large aperture Nikon primes, I think the 58/1.2 is just as expensive, if not even more so than the Kinoptik in question.

I found the thread on NikonCafe from which I 'borrowed' the photo from: Bokeh...guess which lenses... - NikonCafe.com

This picture taken with the 58/1.2 Noct was also posted and it's just more proof of how background-dependent some lens are.
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Originally Posted by dj_mocok View Post
If you cant see the beauty, that's good, you just save yourself close to 2 grand, heheh..
If I may ask then, what is it about the bokeh that you like? I am very interested to know.
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