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Old 04-25-2008, 10:28 PM   #1191 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by dj_mocok View Post
Although I think 18-55mm produces better image quality than the overhyped 18-200mm.... Wahhh! /runs away...
I prefer the 18-200VR for wide shots vs. the kit lens in terms of better image quality. I own both.
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:35 PM   #1192 (permalink)
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So many darn low-power zooms I'm starting to get a bit confused

IQ-wise (from a bit of reading)
18-55 < 18-70 < 18-135 ~ 18-200 < 16-85 ~ 17-55
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Old 04-25-2008, 11:01 PM   #1193 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by milkpowder View Post
The tamron 17-50/2.8 looks to be a great lens offering even better IQ than the pro-level nikkor. However, I've been reading around and it seems that the cheaper offerings from tamron and sigma exhibit some AF problems. Any related experiences?

I'm basically planning what my rig should be. So far it looks to be a all-nikon setup: 17-55/F2.8 as a walk-around lens (as opposed to the 24-70/2.8, which is too long on a DX camera) and 35/2 for portraits, low-light indoors and close-ups (as opposed to the 50/1.4or1.8, which is also too long when x1.5).

I still can't decide on a medium-power zoom lens. The 70-300/4.5-5.6 VR is very attractive, but tests done by Photozone suggest that it has very noticeable CA at full zoom. It also seems a bit slow. Again, is anyone experiencing poor CA at large focal lengths?

Ideally, the 70-200/2.8 would be nice, but darn is it expensive. I don't think I shoot tele enough to be able to justify spending so much on it. Its size is also an issue since I tend to shoot whilst on-the-move. Having used my friend's 70-200/2.8, I found it far too long, bulky, heavy and unsubtle. An obvious alternative is the Sigma 70-200/2.8, which Photozone commented favourably on. It's also much cheaper too!
Ok, first things first! Have you actually SHOT with the 35mm for portrait? Unless you want full body shots with a lot of the background/forgound in the picture, you'll need a longer lens (either that, or you'll be 2 feet away from the subject all the time).

To be honest with you, it can help to space yourself from the subject. When you are closer to them, they are more likely to focus on the camera and be less fluid. I would be at least 5 feet away from the subject. And so a 50mm, or even a 85mm on my DX can give me nice 3/4 portraits and head shots. Some people actually prefer the 105mm or 135mm range for portrait.
Bottom line: for the 35mm, you'll either need to be real close, or be taking pictures with a lot of the environment in it.

For 3/4 and head shots, I would spring for the 85mm F/1.8 again in a heart beat. For full body, 50mm to 35mm would do good (though 35 is a little on the wide side for my tastes).


Now, for the tele. The 70-200VR is pricey. Too bad Nikon doesn't have a 70-200 F/4 for 560$us like canon does. I would jump on that one.
I have the 70-300G, not the 70-300VR. The VR has improved a lot of things, though I have a hunch that the G version has better bokeh (the bokeh on this lens is simply amazing!!!!!). If you wanted to put most of your money into a a walk around lens, and then get the 70-300G for 134$us, that would sound like a good setup. It won't give you the level of quality of the 70-200, but on the other hand it is much smaller, much MUCH lighter, and much cheaper (134$us vs. 1600$), and you get the full 200-300mm range not offered in the 70-200VR. If you wanted to zoom in past 200mm on the 70-200mm, you'll need a teleconverter (~400$). 1600+400 = 2000... yikes!

Though, the 70-300VR has VR, has sharper pictures, less CA, and IF. I would really like the 70-300VR for 480$, but I'm afraid of giving up my dreamy bokeh with my 70-300G. I use it for a lot of flower / animal shots at the moment.



If I were to shoot considerably more at the wide-normal range, I would get a good lens in this range and just the cheap 70-300G. It'll give you the range to hone your skills without lugging around some massive lens that makes you look strange.
If you were to use the mid range and tele range equally, I would look into the 70-300VR and the 18-200VR or 24-70mm, 28-70mm, or 17-55mm.

If it were me, and I was strapped for money, I'd get the 70-300G again. For the price, you just gotta have it (134$, I mean... come on!).
I've found that I can take *most* of the shots that I want with my: 35mm F/2, 50mm F/1.8, 85mm F/1.8, and 70-300G. The 20mm F/2.8 and a micro lens are next on my agenda.


On a related note: I have a D50, and I am able to take nice pictures. The D80 and above make it 'easier' to take better pictures, if that makes sense. The lens choice should be equally as important as the body, if not more so.
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Old 04-25-2008, 11:08 PM   #1194 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by milkpowder View Post
So many darn low-power zooms I'm starting to get a bit confused

IQ-wise (from a bit of reading)
18-55 < 18-70 < 18-135 ~ 18-200 < 16-85 ~ 17-55
It is not clear cut always, and depends on what you put more importance on in terms of image quality.

For example, my 18-55 was really nice in terms of CA, but my 18-200VR has more CA. Though I find the 18-200 to give an image with more clarity vs. the 18-55. You know, give and take, give and take. Be careful about classifying lenses in terms of absolutes, which is better than another. People's opinions vary.

And hey, if you just can't decide, make use of a lens rental service. Pick a nice week, rent a few of them, and compare. Within a week you should formalize your opinions. You may spend 100$ or so, but it'll give you the peace of mind that you made the right choice.
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Old 04-26-2008, 11:11 AM   #1195 (permalink)
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Points noted!

New D80 for $900, or well used D200 for $800-1000?
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Have you considered whether you need a zoom and whether or not you would be better served by a prime lens? The 70-200 VR and 80-200 f/2.8 zooms are really big, heavy, and intimidating to the person you are photographing (if you are photographing a person). Sure, they have great image quality, but in most cases no better than the prime lenses...usually worse when you consider things like distortion. Nikon makes some great telephotos -- the 105mm f/2 DC is superb, as are the 180/2.8 and 85/1.4 (or 1.8). All of them are substantially smaller than the zooms, have equal or better image quality, and are cheaper to boot (yes, I know that getting all three would be more). I just got into Nikon with the D3, and I picked up two zooms -- the 17-35 and the 24-70, but for the telephoto end I am sticking with the 105mm for now. I think it will be all I need for now...perhaps I will add a 300mm f/4 later. Don't get me wrong, there is a place for the 70-200 zooms, but it is less often needed in my opinion. That said, I am renting one today to shoot a fashion show, so there's that. I would have to rent it 37 times to make it worth buying it though...
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Originally Posted by milkpowder View Post
Points noted!

New D80 for $900, or well used D200 for $800-1000?
New D80 for 730$ at bhphoto.com
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New D80 for $900, or well used D200 for $800-1000?
As noted, you can get a new D80 for much cheaper; and a mint D200 will barely run you $875 these days.
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Unfortunately, us Brits are pretty screwed as far as prices go (even used prices)...

Buying from the US is actually more expensive when you take into account import duties (anywhere from 1-20%, depending on the mood of the customs officer) + VAT (17.5%) + courier brokerage fees.

I suppose I could pick up gear when I'm back in Hong Kong around August, but I don't want to wait until then! The weather is absolutely gorgeous in Edinburgh atm. Perfect for taking photos!
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Originally Posted by milkpowder View Post
So many darn low-power zooms I'm starting to get a bit confused

IQ-wise (from a bit of reading)
18-55 < 18-70 < 18-135 ~ 18-200 < 16-85 ~ 17-55
I'd be curious where you've been reading. I've used all those lenses except the 16-85, and from my use and the reviews I've read, I'd put it at:

18-55 = 18-135 < 18-70 = 16-85 = 18-200 <<<<< 17-55.

My first and foremost concern is sharpness, followed by distortion/aberration, followed by maximum aperture and focus speed.

The 16-85 can't even begin to touch the performance of the 17-55, so I'm not sure who in their right mind would rate it as anywhere near equal.
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