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my general response to such comments on a firearm related thread (that has firearm, gun, rifle, pistol, etc in the title) is "you could have just NOT CLICKED ON THE THREAD!"
Does anyone know where I can find a heavy-duty metal airsoft gun that isn't extremely cheap looking/feeling? Something like a Glock 20, Beretta M92FS, or a Five-Seven? Every one I find looks cheap, and reviews say they're not very powerful.
holy cow is that thing expensive. check out KJW full metal series, i have shot a few and they are very good for the price. They are hefty and can take propane so they pack a bit of punch. The finish is not as good as some of the more expensive guns like western arms, but they don't look like toys either.
i never understood airsoft... or more specifically that level of airsoft gun... recently saw a half-decent looking airsoft K98k and it was $500 i spent $190 for a russian capture K98k
For self defense? I hope you don't live in an apartment or have others in your home. The .223 will carry very well through drywall/sheetrock. For self defense, no way I'd use a piece like that and I own 3 of them. My personal preference is either a .357 revolver(with some CorBon) or shotgun for home defense. Weapons like the AR15 or Steyr Aug aren't a good choice IMO but to each his own. No offense intended btw.
Lots of nice looking and shooting firearms out there, gents, so I thought I would show you something different; precision bolt action long range pistols. The Savage Striker is based on the short Model 110 bolt action with a two shot fixed magazine. The top one is in .22-250 with a fourteen inch factory barrel with a Burris 3-12X LER scope. The lower is a custom in .308Win with a 14.5 inch barrel topped with a VAIS compensator and a Burris 2-7X LER scope. The .22-250 barrel fits with Savage's proprietary screw nut system, but the .308's receiver and barrel are threaded together more traditionally. Both have been fitted with Rifle Basix excellent trigger upgrade kits (breaking around 3#) and both (with the appropriate ammunitions) shoot under and inch. Why? The .22-250 was first for prairie poodles under 200 yards. It worked so well that the .308 was next to take advantage of handgun only seasons on medium and large game.
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i never understood airsoft... or more specifically that level of airsoft gun... recently saw a half-decent looking airsoft K98k and it was $500 i spent $190 for a russian capture K98k
Japan.
Unless you're really dedicated and a heck of a shot, you cannot own a pistol in Japan. They have a limited number of pistol licenses (50) available for the whole country, with a very restrictive licensing and testing scheme. How restrictive? Well, only 30 or so of the pistol licenses are filled...
So really, the only way to own something approximating "real steel" is through airsoft. And if it approximates "real steel", it's going to cost just as much to produce.
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For self defense? I hope you don't live in an apartment or have others in your home. The .223 will carry very well through drywall/sheetrock. For self defense, no way I'd use a piece like that and I own 3 of them. My personal preference is either a .357 revolver(with some CorBon) or shotgun for home defense. Weapons like the AR15 or Steyr Aug aren't a good choice IMO but to each his own. No offense intended btw.
No offense taken. The idea that .223/5.56 will always penetrate more than pistol rounds is a common misconception. After going through the literature, I settled on the AR specifically to reduce overpenetration since I live in an apartment.
If I were forced to use one of the heavier FMJ or OTM loadings (> 60 gr), military loadings (M193, M855), or any of the former Comblock stuff, then yeah, overpenetration concerns would stop me from considering the AR for home defense duties. But, I don't have to, and the use of .223 for varmint purposes gives me a wide selection of low penetration bullets to work with.
My preferred cartridge is Federal's T223D (40 gr HP), which is based around an overdriven varmint bullet. Federal's testing shows that it penetrates roughly 6" in bare ballistic gelatin. This is about as much penetration as a Glaser Safety Slug, or half as much penetration as from your garden variety expanded JHP from a service caliber. The FBI's testing found penetration of anything other than body armored adversaries seriously lacking. Due to it's light construction and high velocity, it had a tendency to breakup upon hitting intermediate barriers. The FBI ended up recommending it only for short barrels (< 12"), which would bleed off some of the velocity and increase penetration.
So really, my AR as loaded is much less of an overpenetration threat than any pistol I own.
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How much kick do those have Old Pa? Looks like at least one's Mag-Na-Ported.
First off, the .22-250 weighs in at 7# and the .308Win tips in at 7.25#; there are lighter weight rifles available in both calibers. Mag-Na-Porting is a proprietary EDM process by which two or more pentagonal ports are cut in the top of the barrel to redirect combustion gases and reduce muzzle flip. I have had it done to a couple of barrels (and later sold the guns). It is loud. Very loud for a hunting/tactical firearm. The VAIS comp is a two-stage design that first scavenges gas from behind the bullet to charge coaxial ports which are then disrupted transversally by the second stage of gas flow; it's very effective at reducing perceived recoil without being excessively loud. I have shot rifles equipped with Vais comps in classes and at matches without unduly disturbing those shooting to either side of me. That said, ear protection is mandatory with these pistol length barrels, but both Strikers are controllable offhand commensurate with my ability to hold and shoot. At 400 yards, the .22-250 off the bags keeps its rounds on a four inch steel plate for me if I do my part. At the same range, the .308Win will do the same on a six inch steel plate; I have some work to do on its loads.
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For self defense? I hope you don't live in an apartment or have others in your home. The .223 will carry very well through drywall/sheetrock.
I'd rather stand on the other side of a sheetrock wall from an AR15 with frangible varmint bullets, than just about any handgun. The overpenetration of the .223 across all ammo types is misunderstood. I have witnessed Hornady Vmax and Speer TNT bullets fail to make it through both sides of a cardboard box. An EBR with frangible bullets is a fine home defense weapon.
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