Gun-Fi

[meat01]

Also when most of us hear a noise in the house we go and investigate instead of hopping in our ghillie suits and putting our sights on the bedroom door.

And most of you do it wrong. If you truly know the noise in the house is someone who shouldn't be in your house, Investigating will only get you killed. I would rather have my life than my TV and stereo. The best thing you can do is call the cops and hunker down in the bedroom and warn them that you are armed. If they still choose to come in my bedroom....

[CaseJ]

Originally Posted by mrarroyo

CaseJ beautiful piece your dad carries. Any reason he is using those sideslabs instead of something in cocobolo or similar? My issue would be with being slippery. Thanks.

It came with cocobolo but the pattern on it with my dads FBI holster rubs on his back and he wanted something more comfortable because he carries it a lot. Also he has mother of pearl pocket knife and watch so everything matches.

[CaseJ]

Originally Posted by rincewind

I know the ppl on here are probably 99% responsible etc. No offence intended.

I can appreciate that ppl need guns for two purposes: firing range competition and hunting (tell me if there's some other purpose, self defense doesn't count, because what's the different between if someone kills you or you kill them? Still a gun related death). I reckon for either purpose, the guns would be best kept at some arbitrary (although secure) public place, like a gun owner's depot of some sort, with auditing of time in/time out, and you take the guns when and where needed and it's on record. This kind of warehouse would be best in industrial suburbs etc, not next to townhall :P I think there would be less incidents with kids in homes and crazy idiots taking them to public places with only malicious intent.

Ide like to chime in on using it for CCW purpose. My father is a jeweler and picks up at some times 50k+ worth of items in his briefcase which brings unwanted attention to him. Like he always tells me he doesn't carry his gun to protect the Money but rather if something happens he is able to make sure he is going to be around for my brother and I. There has been close calls before of people following us to our car or when we are walking and all my dad does is stop and put his hand on it so its known that he is carrying which i believe has stopped a lot of potential problems. This is completely justified in my eyes and i plan to do the same on my 21st B-Day next year.

[Old Pa]

Looks like next month I get to go on another Prairie Poodle Safari with my friend from Illinois. I know of no better way to develop good practical long range accuracy skills over largely unknown ranges than prairie dog shooting. And accuracy is of the utmost importance when you want the game DRT (dead right there) and not maimed. Wind and distance provide constantly changing variables. And previous trips have shown me I have yet to make any real impact on the poodle populations. South Dakota poisoning programs do far more to indiscriminately affect the prairie ecology.



My long range .22 is on top; a Remington Model 700V (left hand) with 26" barrel. It wears a Leupold LRT 8.5-25x40mm with varmint dot and scope leveler. It has been fitted with a Timney trigger breaking cleanly at 2# and a VAIS compensator which allows me to spot for myself. The performance of modern polymer tipped varmint bullets has to be experienced to be believed. Second is my custom AR built for me by JP Performance on a Bushmaster forged lower. It has a forged DPMS upper, free-floated heavy 24 inch Williams barrel, adjustable gas block, aluminum tubular handgrip, and JP Performance trigger and hammer spring. It's wearing a 6.5-20x40mm Leupold LRT with scope leveler. With a single round magazine and used as a single shot, most of the heat is extracted with the case and the rifle never gets too hot. I load all my own ammunition for the centerfires.

The third rifle is a Ruger 10/22M in .22WMR wearing a Leupold 3.5-10x40mm scope. It really likes Federal Premium .22WMR ammunition with the 32grain Sierra bullet. The bottom rifle is a Ruger 10/22T with 20" hammerforged heavy barrel and wearing Leupold 4.5-14x40mm scope. It really like Federal's Ultra Match .22LR standard velocity. Both Rugers are wearing Fajen laminated stocks of traditional target profiles, both are fitted with Clark's excellent trigger kits, and both have had their receivers drilled to allow cleaning from the breach. With the .22-250 Savage Striker I showed you earlier, these make up my varmint battery.

[Ingo]

Originally Posted by CaseJ

What caliber is that Ruger #1 in this picture? I have always wanted to get a #1 in a big-game caliber.

[gpalmer]

Hey Old Pa, I've seen those poly tipped bullets in 30/06 and was wondering what their benefits would be. Any thoughts?

[Old Pa]

Originally Posted by gpalmer

Hey Old Pa, I've seen those poly tipped bullets in 30/06 and was wondering what their benefits would be. Any thoughts?

Polymer tip rifle bullets have been a significant recent improvement. They are well worth considering. There are three completely different applications they work in; you have to make sure you are getting the right ones for your purpose. In all applications the polymer tips resist tip deformation and improve ballistic coefficient (how well a bullet flies over long range). And remember: bullet placement (accuracy) is the most important thing.

Varmint: on the thin jacketed varmint loads these things drop back like wedges upon target impact and turn the bullets into little hand grenades. No real penetration, massive explosive expansion and energy dissipation. Read: thin skinned small game. Reprentative bullets are Sierra's Blitz and Hornady's VMax.

Expanding Big Game: the ideal expanding big game bullet upon target impact blows up to five times bore diameter, and barely makes it completely through the critter, falling to the ground on the other side, but leaving two hole to bleed the game out. Back in the real world, we are happy with a three bore expansion and complete penetration. Polymer tipped big game bullets are one way to effectively accomplish this as long as they are loaded (and hit the game) within their effective operating speeds. I like Hornady's Interbond series and lots of folks like Nosler and Barnes.

Target/Match (non expanding): These are decided to whistle on through the target. Enter at 2500 feet per second, depart at 2400FPS. While they have the increased accuracy benefits of no tip deformation/loss of shape and increased ballistic coefficient, they do not effectively transfer energy to the target for shocking stopping power. Kind of like Full Metal Jacket military rounds. Hornady AMax and Sierra Match Kings are of this type. Do not use if over penetration is an issue.

There is also a new series of Hornady with soft plastic tips for use in tubular magazines where the bullets endure recoil lines up tip to primer. This use to be the realm of flat bullet tips so as not to accidentally set off a primer with a hard pointy tip in the magazine during recoil. The new Hornady line alows improved ballistic performance when the soft pointed tip gets sharp again in the chamber.

This is probably more than you wanted to know, but at this point whenever I'm discussing ballistics I am forced to bring up the ballistic topic of sectional density. Just so I can say I'm not referring to the women in East Texas.

[gpalmer]

That wasn't too much at all. I was very curious about the terminal ballistics which you've addressed nicely. It was the Interbond rounds I was looking at. Seemed like a good idea to keep the tip in better condition and I like the light magnum ballistics though I haven't shot enough of them to have a good idea how they mate with my gun. Currently there are times I take a mag of lead tipped bullets out of my model 700 and they are deformed at the tip. Not a good thing if you care about accuracy. I'll give the Interbond a try. Since I mostly punch paper and I've got a lot of Federal match sitting around it might be a while. I found it very curious that I couldn't find this sort of information on Hornady's site but durned if I could find it and I spent a couple hours looking for it.

[Hermitt]

Altho I've grown up around guns all my life (stepfather was a small arms instructor, M-1 Garrand sharpshooter and marksman in the Air Force) the only 'firearms I currently have in the house are these.

Baikal Izh46M



My pride & jpy Steyer LP2 (10 meter match pistol)



And my CO2 Walther CP99 Trophy 'plinker'



The steyer is a fantastic prescision target pistol and I can shoot it indoors from right here in my den very inexpensively. I use a scuba bottle to refill the air cylinder. $5 worth of clean diver's air last me about a year. Right now I'm working on trying to get 10 shot groups at 10 meters (33 feet) about the size of a dime, single hand and open sights.

[Old Pa]

Originally Posted by gpalmer

It was the Interbond rounds I was looking at.

It's my understanding that the Hornady Interbonds also utilizes an adhesive technology to keep the core from separating from the jacket like some more expensive bullets. More expensive? With the way commodities like lead and copper took off for the last few years, all bullets are expensive. Kind of like cigars. I'm loading the 180 grain Interbond in the .300WSM for big game.