Complex (acidic?) jazz of various forms - Head-Fi: Covering Headphones, Earphones and Portable Audio

progo · #1 (**permalink**) 07-06-2009, 11:52 AM

Hello you all jazz lovers. I've spent my day browsing the Music section, looking for existing threads about the complexiness of modern jazz scales and stuff like that. But to my surprise, a sufficient thread wasn't found. So I simply have to begin one.

I wouldn't be sure to include the term "acid" in the topic because it's got different meanings, you know. When I do see the genre of "acid jazz", I get the image of players on acid and taking the full scales in work. Others think it as a mixture of funk and trip hop and whatnot. I've got some "Best of Acid Jazz" CDs but they don't provide the certain style I'm after.

I don't know shinola about the exact definition of music scales but what I do know is that jazz' scales differ from traditional pop music. I listen to common jazz albums such as "Moanin'" and "A Love Supreme" and they provide the my kind of acids in the play. The holy combination of a sax, piano and bass makes some serious tones!

I'd like to hear suggestions of various jazz (and why not pop records as well) that take the jazz scales to the max! I just seem to enjoy them most tremendously. To make things interesting, is there "acid jazz" played with solo piano? Or with bass! I've been wondering if there's a complete genre of "piano and bass" played so funky I'd be gasping for air after a song.

I'm sorry for bad text presentation. I'm too excited right now.

demoNMaCHiN3 · #2 (**permalink**) 07-06-2009, 11:36 PM

check this out: Richard Dorfmeister EM 2001-12-02 | MIXRIOT
the quality isn't the greatest but it is one of my favorite Essential Mixes

also look into jazzstep (a.k.a. IDB or atmospheric d'n'b) and artists such as goldie (timeless), ltj bukem (all of the progession sessions, journey inwards, logical progression), and roni size.

I think you'll especially like Journey Inwards by LTJ Bukem
(here's the first song in the album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXEwj6vz3xo&fmt=18 most of the rest are on the right side)

JadeEast · #3 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 12:06 AM

Acid jazz-

+ YouTube Video

"acidjazz"-

+ YouTube Video

*edit to add I think Pharoah Sanders may be of interest to you.

tattoou2 · #4 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 09:56 AM

One of my favorites is Courtney Pine.

progo · #5 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by demoNMaCHiN3

check this out: Richard Dorfmeister EM 2001-12-02 | MIXRIOT
the quality isn't the greatest but it is one of my favorite Essential Mixes

also look into jazzstep (a.k.a. IDB or atmospheric d'n'b) and artists such as goldie (timeless), ltj bukem (all of the progession sessions, journey inwards, logical progression), and roni size.

I think you'll especially like Journey Inwards by LTJ Bukem
(here's the first song in the album: YouTube - LTJ Bukem - Journey inwards most of the rest are on the right side)

Thanks for solid advice, but I weren't really looking to that kind of stuff. It's nice (listened to the EM, really nice!) but it's not the players-on-acid thing I was expecting. OTOH, the Journey Inwards sounds a lot closer to what I'm looking for, but sounds pretty tame also.

What JadeEast linked, sounds pretty hilarious -- it's the acid jazz one expects by the genre.

I should have mentioned the direction should be towards free jazz in order to get perfection.

But heck, some marvelous recommendations here! Thanks all!

catachresis · #6 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 12:47 PM

You mentioned Moanin' and A Love Supreme. The whole 'jazz combo that sounds like they're on acid-whooa, didja ever really look at your hand'-thing comes out of the Free Jazz movement in the 60s. It meant a lot of things to a lot of people: it was jazz-expressionism/abstractionism to some, and it was the sound of revolution against Jim Crow to others. But it was (and is) an extraordinary, dynamic movement within jazz.

If I get your meaning right--that you're not *just* interested in Acid Jazz--then have a look at Ornette Coleman's The Shape of Jazz to Come and the breath-taking Free Jazz. Here.

progo · #7 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by catachresis

You mentioned Moanin' and A Love Supreme. The whole 'jazz combo that sounds like they're on acid-whooa, didja ever really look at your hand'-thing comes out of the Free Jazz movement in the 60s. It meant a lot of things to a lot of people: it was jazz-expressionism/abstractionism to some, and it was the sound of revolution against Jim Crow to others. But it was (and is) an extraordinary, dynamic movement within jazz.

If I get your meaning right--that you're not *just* interested in Acid Jazz--then have a look at Ornette Coleman's The Shape of Jazz to Come and the breath-taking Free Jazz. Here.

Thanks! As a matter of fact, I already dug things up yesterday and realized it's "free jazz" I'm looking into -- and ordered the Free jazz album.

By the way, I bought some Art Tatum record (Over the Rainbow) on impulse and it's got some great piano! Maybe not the acids I'm after but certainly a lovely record. I replayed it right after it finished!

buddhashenglong · #8 (**permalink**) 07-10-2009, 11:04 AM

Check out some Chick Corea as well, a nice blend of what you are enjoying there.

progo · #9 (**permalink**) 07-10-2009, 11:35 AM

Okay... I listened to the Coleman's Free Jazz. It sounds better (I've got the feel I am able to get into it eventually) than Coltrane's Ascension (which I didn't like at all). But somehow it doesn't satisfy at all. I'm at lost here

-- is it not the scales that tickle me in the right spot? I'm going to try your other suggestions in order to get the direction straight.

falis · #10 (**permalink**) 07-10-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by progo

Okay... I listened to the Coleman's Free Jazz. It sounds better (I've got the feel I am able to get into it eventually) than Coltrane's Ascension (which I didn't like at all). But somehow it doesn't satisfy at all. I'm at lost here

-- is it not the scales that tickle me in the right spot? I'm going to try your other suggestions in order to get the direction straight.

Ornette's stuff from the period of "Body Meta" and "Of Human Feelings" remains complex, but I think is a bit more accessible. Also, check out Ronald Shannon Jackson's "Mandance", James "Blood" Ulmer's early stuff, and for something a bit different, Mahavishnu Orchestra's "Inner Mounting Flame" and "Birds of Fire". Just about any Sam Rivers (really!). Miles Davis' "Jack Johnson", "Bitches Brew", "Live Evil". Any Albert Ayler. Sun Ra. Eric Dolphy (check out Oliver Nelson's "Blues and the Abstract Truth" with Dolphy on it).

You have plenty to look forward to.

Here's a little Sam and James Ulmer show - play it all the way through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biAiQCWHh0s

With Dave Holland and Thurman Barker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J83DsYQJ_D0&NR=1

- Ed

R_burke · #11 (**permalink**) 07-10-2009, 06:23 PM

These might work:

Mushroom w/Eddie Gale
Amazon.com: Joint Happening: Mushroom, Eddie Gale: Music

Sun Ra
Amazon.com: Space Is the Place: Sun Ra and His Astro Intergalactic Infinity Arkestra: Music

Miles Davis
Amazon.com: Space Is the Place: Sun Ra and His Astro Intergalactic Infinity Arkestra: Music

Five Notes · #12 (**permalink**) 07-15-2009, 09:20 AM

Skalpel

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"Skalpel are nu jazz DJs and musicians, Marcin Cichy and Igor Pudło, from Wrocław in Poland. Their musical style is a distinctive blend of hip hop beats, laced with samples lifted from the rich seam of Polish jazz records of the 1960s and 1970s."

"Great stuff, Check them out!"

THAY BRAN · #13 (**permalink**) 07-20-2009, 12:47 AM

Check out HERBIE HANCOCK - SEXTANT

progo · #14 (**permalink**) 07-20-2009, 08:40 AM

Thanks to you all. I'm going to try out your suggestions as they come by.
I did try the Chick Corea and they perform very nicely and the blend works very well indeed!