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Old 07-10-2009, 08:08 AM
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Default Beatles Remasters......Anticipation AND Confusion

Well it's probably been the most talked about upcoming release of 2009 on nearly every music forum. I'm extremely excited about it....almost unnaturally excited as if I'm going to get to hear the music for the first time. But some things have bothered me about the remasters, though I have not heard them.....but I am told that the Stereo release of Help and Rubber Soul will be newly MIXED stereo mixes, not the original stereo mix, and that the original stereo mix will be added to the Mono box. I don't quite understand the point of this and for some reason it really bothers me. If I buy a mono box I want MONO only. And personally I dont really want to hear a remixed rubber soul, but that's just me. Another thing I don't like is the fact that every CD is going to come with a discussion tagged on at the end. I can't express just how highly unnecessary that addition is to me. Maybe to someone else it would be great fun, but it really detracts for me. I was really hoping these remasters would be as close to purchasing the original vinyl records as possible. They really blew it with the stupid addition. They could have made a single CD or double CD to tag along with the stereo box called the making of the records and made an exclusive interview disc for this purpose. I don't know I'm just bothered by this.
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I don't know if I'll buy these. It all smells of an effort to get you to repurchase something you already have. If the new mastering is an improvement, then maybe. Otherwise, I don't see any reason not to stay with what I already have.

I do wish they'd release everything on SACD, but that's probably a fantasy.
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but I am told that the Stereo release of Help and Rubber Soul will be newly MIXED stereo mixes, not the original stereo mix, and that the original stereo mix will be added to the Mono box. I don't quite understand the point of this and for some reason it really bothers me.
When these CD's were originally released in 1987, the 'Help' and 'Rubber Soul' issues were new remixes by George Martin. These are the mixes that have been mastered for the new stereo issues.
However, at the time, there were many complaints such as the one you're making now that the original mixes weren't available.
It's nice that they're trying to rectify that situation....but it should have been done as part of the stereo box rather than the mono.

That said, all word of people actually in the know has it that this may be the only drawback to the collection at all.

The infamous Dr. Ebbett who had previously been the last word on Beatles remasters as far as sound quality, has officially said that he is now "retiring" because these new releases are the best he's ever heard.

I'm more excited than ever.
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I want to buy it to!
But

Can someone answer (or try to) - how will the sound quality is going to be ?!

Will it have like all the new music the LOUDNESS WAR thing ??
Or will it be good?
I really hate to buy something that will be like the new Led Zeppelin discography (really can't even hear it! it is full of clipping and LOUDNESS WAR )

I really really hope that the re-master will be done as if guys from MFSL or DCC or what ever good audiophile guys will have done it
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I really really hope that the re-master will be done as if guys from MFSL or DCC or what ever good audiophile guys will have done it
Per the good doctor himself:

"Dear friends,

I sincerely hope all is well with you and yours.

Indeed, this is an unexpected mass-mailer. Please forgive the
unsolicited rambles that follow.

To start, there are many of you who have outstanding orders with me at
this time. Some of you have been waiting for a while, and I wish to
apologize for that. Please don't worry. Each and every one of these
outstanding orders will be tended to this week. You have my word.

I appreciate your patience and understanding.

Second, there has been considerable buzz surrounding the new Beatles
remasters, due for release in September. There should be. We have all
been waiting for this day, and it is about to arrive - finally! Thanks
to a long-time supporter and friend to this project, I have had the
opportunity to hear genuine samples of the new remasters due out in two
months.

They are good.

Very good.

Those of you who will be buying them - and those of you who have already
preordered - will not be disappointed.

In fact, I will venture to guess than many of you will be more than
pleasantly surprised at how good they sound.

And with what promises to be outstanding packaging all around, it will
be a collector's nirvana.

From the outset of the Dr. Ebbetts Sound Systems project, I swore that
once EMI did the right thing and released remasters to be proud of, I
would not continue doing what I was doing. After all, the only reason I
did this was because Apple/EMI/Capitol would not - and because I so very
much love the Beatles.

While my love for the band has not changed, everything else has.

EMI/Capitol began their release of the American LPs on compact disc a
few years ago, and now EMI has tackled the British catalogue in fullest
detail.

It's what we all wanted. As Beatles fans, it's what we've prayed for.

To that end - and with the heaviest of hearts - effective immediately,
Dr. Ebbetts Sound Systems will cease operations.

Many of you will recall that the entire purpose of the Dr. Ebbetts
project was to make available to the public the best sounding versions
of the Beatles' original LP releases - with emphasis on the American and
British catalogues. Believe me, it wasn't a hard thing to do considering
the substandard quality of the original CD catalogue from 1987 onward.

The fact of the matter is, the Dr. Ebbetts material does not - and will
not - sound better than what is coming commercially in September. People
I trust agree with me. The remasters sound remarkably well balanced,
with solid, punchy bass, smooth mids and not-to-harsh, yet crisp highs.
In comparison, many of the Ebbetts masters fall short - weaker bass,
dimished mids, and often too-bright highs.

It's a given that the remasters will not please everyone, but they will
be good enough to make the Ebbetts catalogue solidly inferior.

The artwork and packaging of the EMI material will prove to make current
Dr. Ebbetts releases look like Xerox machine fodder.

It pains me, seeing as I have invested so much time in this thing, but I
humbly and officially put this nearly-fourteen year project to bed.

I have outlived my usefulness in this hobby.

I know there are many who will ask why I just don't continue releasing
titles that are NOT being put out by Apple/EMI - foreign releases, rare
pressings, etc..

My reasons are complicated, but they are what they are. In short, if the
Dr. Ebbetts BLUE BOX set is not the definitive sounding version of the
original UK stereo LPs, then why issue them at all?

Many will remember the original BEAT CDs of the 1990s that presented the
Beatles US LPs sourced from cassettes. I surely do. They became
immediately obsolete with the advent of Dr. Ebbetts. No one bought those
BEAT CDs anymore when I came along. Why would they? At the time, my
material was far superior.

The Ebbetts BLUE BOX series was only issued because Apple/EMI's versions
were substantially inferior to anything I - or any number of
needledroppers - were putting out. The Ebbetts BLUE BOX set is at THE
HEART of the Dr. Ebbetts Sound Systems collection, in my estimation. If
that set is now inferior to the commercial release, then it has no
business existing. Suffice to say, I would not release the BLUE BOX set
today if new remasters were already commercially available.

I would have no need.

And if my CORE SET is inferior, I don't wish to have the rest of the
catalogue branded as such either.

Therefore, it is time to put it all on the shelf.

I am requesting that all of you who have LPs with me contact me as soon
as possible and let me know which ones are yours so that I might send
them back to you. I promise I will get those to you in short order.

So that your return LP requests will not be lost in what promises to be
a hectic e-mail shuffle, please put "MY LPs" somewhere in the subject
line.

Your generosity, kindness and willingness to share your treasured
possessions with me is something I shall never forget.

To each and every one of you who has supported me and befriended me
throughout the years, I wish to extend my deepest gratitude. Your
loyalty has moved me beyond words. This entire project began as a
fanciful hobby many years ago and has mushroomed into something far
beyond anything I could have imagined.

From every corner of the entire world, I have been blessed to meet some
of the best Beatle people out there. I will never forget you.

But now it is time to make way for the "big boys."

Please be sure to secure your copies of the remasters. I guarantee they
will replace your Dr. Ebbetts CDs in your rotations and playlists - as
they should. Display them proudly and let people know who the greatest
band of all time is.

Remember, quoting my project motto from all those years ago, it is ONLY
about the music.

That is why I do what I do today.

Now go put your hard-earned money to good use!

God Bless.


Drew"
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Yep I have heard what the Doc said (I love most of his stuff!!! great stuff)
But
Didn't the same things were said about the LOVE project?
And we all know how that end, not?
The all thing is way to loud and compressed and many guys here and audiophile guys don't like the final result
So
Why should this one be else?
Also
As much as we know apple is going to put some songs (or all of them) on iTunes, and they want people with 5$ cheap headphones to enjoy it (and buy buy buy), so why won't they want it to be "louder than hell" ?!

I really really hope it wont be one more victim of the LOUDNESS WAR
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People don;t like the sound of LOVE? I thought it was brilliant. It makes me very excited for the new remasters.
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LOVE was a revelation...

Without disrespect, I think anyone complaining about that will complain about anything.
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I have put an order for both sets - I am not willing to let it escape from me
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People don;t like the sound of LOVE? I thought it was brilliant. It makes me very excited for the new remasters.
I am very excited too and already pre ordered both box sets.

About the sound quality- maybe we can wait til we have a chance to listen to it first before passing judgement? If we don't like them we can always stick to the cds we already have or seek out the vinyls. As for being faithful to the originals- I will ask which original? There are so many different versions. If MFSL were to handle the remastering, are they going to do the early albums in Mono? Afterall they did the first four albums in stereo on vinyl.

I like LOVE too.
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Will it have like all the new music the LOUDNESS WAR thing ??
Or will it be good?
It's already been indicated that the remasters have been made louder, albeit slightly, but early word is that the sound excellent (as per Dr. Ebbett).
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amm I hope that the dynamics are still good!
Don't want to have a Metallica Death Magnetic album (I think that the "death" in the album name is for your ears and brain after you have heard it )
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Well it's probably been the most talked about upcoming release of 2009 on nearly every music forum. I'm extremely excited about it....almost unnaturally excited as if I'm going to get to hear the music for the first time. But some things have bothered me about the remasters, though I have not heard them.....but I am told that the Stereo release of Help and Rubber Soul will be newly MIXED stereo mixes, not the original stereo mix, and that the original stereo mix will be added to the Mono box. I don't quite understand the point of this and for some reason it really bothers me. If I buy a mono box I want MONO only. And personally I dont really want to hear a remixed rubber soul, but that's just me. Another thing I don't like is the fact that every CD is going to come with a discussion tagged on at the end. I can't express just how highly unnecessary that addition is to me. Maybe to someone else it would be great fun, but it really detracts for me. I was really hoping these remasters would be as close to purchasing the original vinyl records as possible. They really blew it with the stupid addition. They could have made a single CD or double CD to tag along with the stereo box called the making of the records and made an exclusive interview disc for this purpose. I don't know I'm just bothered by this.
Oh good lord.

1. As it's already been said, the albums were remixed in 1987 for the original CDs. Those are on the stereo discs. The original mixes are on the mono discs along with the mono mix.

2. What the hell difference does it make if the original stereo mixes are also on the mono discs? Does the stop button on your CD player not work?

3. There is no discussion tacked on to the end. You must have misread every discussion and press release over the past couple months to come to that conclusion. There are Quicktime videos on the stereo discs that you can playback on your computer. There are not interviews tacked on to the end of each album. A DVD will also come with the stereo box with each documentary on it for playback in a standard DVD player.

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I am very excited too and already pre ordered both box sets.
Me too. Can't wait to get them.

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About the sound quality- maybe we can wait til we have a chance to listen to it first before passing judgement?
That makes too much sense. Can't have any of that around here

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That makes too much sense. Can't have any of that around here

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