Thank you, slwiser, I've been waiting for feedback like this. I will be getting my alo-780j in a day or so, but I have three questions for you.
1. Given what we know about what the 18g Jena Lab can do to the 780, are you tempted to recable the UE9 with JL cable and try to squeeze that last bit of performance out of the UE9? Ken told me that the gain from stock to Jena Lab is about the same for the 780 as well as the ue9. If it is true, that is no laughing matter as the changes is quite significant for the 780 from stock to JL 18g. I cannot imagine adding that much improvement to the already excellent ue9, that will be awesome. But then again, Ken is the only one that has a pair of alo-ue9 and very few people has listened to it to be able to comment on it.
2, I thought the burn in time with the alo-780 is alot less than the stock cable, something like 70 to 100 hours is the equivalent of 300 hours of the stock cable according the headphoneaddict. When you say 500 hours of burn in time, are you referring to the stock cable?
3, What do you think about Skylab's comment about the so so performance of the alo-780?
4. Since you have both the UE9 and the alo-780, and assuming that a person is able to afford the ue9, do you believe the difference im sq between the two is worth the cost difference?
Again thanks so much for the input.
Your question #4....who has both UE9 and alo-780 here on the forum? From what I thought skylab only has a stock 780 and I saw a post where he said he has not heard a UE9 unless that changed now.
correct me if i am wrong.
number 3 question, where is his comments on the alo-780 posted? I did not see that.
Your question #4....who has both UE9 and alo-780 here on the forum? From what I thought skylab only has a stock 780 and I saw a post where he said he has not heard a UE9 unless that changed now.
correct me if i am wrong.
number 3 question, where is his comments on the alo-780 posted? I did not see that.
I am the person who has both a UE9 and the ALO-HFI-780 with Jena 18g cables. My answers were posted within the quoted area of post 166 in BOLD letters for items 1, 2 and 3 and Item 4 was commented on in a later post.
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Thank you, slwiser, I've been waiting for feedback like this. I will be getting my alo-780j in a day or so, but I have three questions for you.
1. Given what we know about what the 18g Jena Lab can do to the 780, are you tempted to recable the UE9 with JL cable and try to squeeze that last bit of performance out of the UE9? Ken told me that the gain from stock to Jena Lab is about the same for the 780 as well as the ue9. If it is true, that is no laughing matter as the changes is quite significant for the 780 from stock to JL 18g. I cannot imagine adding that much improvement to the already excellent ue9, that will be awesome. But then again, Ken is the only one that has a pair of alo-ue9 and very few people has listened to it to be able to comment on it.
I am told by Ken at ALO and Alex at ApureSound that the Edition 9 respond well to a re-cable. I tend to believe them.
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2, I thought the burn in time with the alo-780 is alot less than the stock cable, something like 70 to 100 hours is the equivalent of 300 hours of the stock cable according the headphoneaddict. When you say 500 hours of burn in time, are you referring to the stock cable?
My stock HFI780 were not burned in by 255 hours when I sent them in, but I posted that the Vampire wire 780 were burned-in by 180-200 hours.
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3, What do you think about Skylab's comment about the so so performance of the alo-780?
He doesn't have ALO 780 does he?
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4. Since you have both the UE9 and the alo-780, and assuming that a person is able to afford the ue9, do you believe the difference im sq between the two is worth the cost difference?
Again thanks so much for the input.
Yes, the Edition 9 are worth it IF you have the money. But, for the price of an Edition 9 you can have a Woo Audio WA6 amp with all the upgrades and ALO 780 both.
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I am the person who has both a UE9 and the ALO-HFI-780 with Jena 18g cables. My answers were posted within the quoted area of post 166 in BOLD letters for items 1, 2 and 3 and Item 4 was commented on in a later post.
yup i knew that but the questions were as if it was you and skylab ...
I recalled reading that the alo 780s were "slightly" on the warm side... how does that affect it's dispalying of microdetails?? Especially in comparison to the PL 2500s... I used to own the PL 2500s with the silver dragon cable, and it really brought the low level details out.
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I love these headphones so much I had to steal them back in a partial trade for my HP-1000 last weekend - to use as my traveling/portable headphone, with the lighter cable and smaller jack that fits the Predator with my iMod Jumbo Silver Cryo X LOD.
I have no problems hearing micro-details with these better than I can with my re-cabled D2000. The Vampire 780 details are right up there with my new old ATH-W11R, while sounding less analytical, and right up there with the HD600 while being sharper and punchier. Kinda in-between. The 780 lack the lower treble/upper mid peak that I hear in the ATH, so you don't "hear the room" as well. But, that means the Vampire 780 are less sibilant than the ATH-W11R! So, the background of the 780 a little darker/quieter than the ATH, and more like the HD600. But, they have more bass than ATH or HD600, while the D2000 bass volume is closer.
I should note, my 10yr old son with the Golden Ears, who previously was able to correctly rank my STAX, Grado and Ultrasone headphones, ranked the Vampire 780 right behind the Edition 9 and STAX SR-Lambda Signature. So, we know that can't be wrong.
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There is no doubt that getting older is mandatory, but to mature remains still optional...
LarryHead-Fi Feedback MAIN RIG: Marantz CD5001 > Synergistic Research Coax > Apogee mini-DAC with Sigma 11 PSU > Neutrik XLR out > Jensen Transformers XLR-RCA > Anti-cables RCA > Stax SRM-1 Mk2 pro (or HEV70) > Sennheiser HE60 >>> or SRM-1 Mk2 Pro (or HEV70) RCA pass-thru > Silver plated copper IC > Woo Audio Maxxed WA6 w/ GZ34 Bugle Boy > Grado RS-1 with APS V3 cable. BEDSIDE RIG: Sony D-303 or iRiver H140 > Sysconcept.ca optical > HeadRoom Micro DAC > ALO cryo silver x mini-mini > TTVJ portable millet hybrid tube amp > Grado HF-1 with Headcoverage woodies and APS V3 cable >>> or DV336i > Edition 9 with APS V3 cable. BASEMENT RIG: iBook > USB PICO > Denon D2000 APS V2 cable. PORTABLE RIG: iMod 80gb 5.5G > barqy silver in silk LOD > ALO portable V-Cap dock > barqy silver in silk mini-mini > RSA Predator > Livewires T1. LAPTOP RIG: MacBook > USB iBasso D2 > Edition 9 with APS V3 cable. CO regional meet 7/26/08
I love these headphones so much I had to steal them back in a partial trade for my HP-1000 last weekend - to use as my traveling/portable headphone, with the lighter cable and smaller jack that fits the Predator with my iMod Jumbo Silver Cryo X LOD.
I have no problems hearing micro-details with these better than I can with my re-cabled D2000. The Vampire 780 details are right up there with my new old ATH-W11R, while sounding less analytical, and right up there with the HD600 while being sharper and punchier. Kinda in-between. The 780 lack the lower treble/upper mid peak that I hear in the ATH, so you don't "hear the room" as well. But, that means the Vampire 780 are less sibilant than the ATH-W11R! So, the background of the 780 a little darker/quieter than the ATH, and more like the HD600. But, they have more bass than ATH or HD600, while the D2000 bass volume is closer.
I should note, my 10yr old son with the Golden Ears, who previously was able to correctly rank my STAX, Grado and Ultrasone headphones, ranked the Vampire 780 right behind the Edition 9 and STAX SR-Lambda Signature. So, we know that can't be wrong.
Thank you for the report.My VAMPIRE 780's will not have 300 hrs burn in until Mar.23rd.Seems like a long time until I can really enjoy them to there full extent.And yes children have excellent ears,I know,I had 3 of them.