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Old 01-19-2006, 03:04 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by ynot
Hi Mike FL.

I agree, I won't find issues with the E5. It is an amazing player.

As I have stated, in my system, the cardas cord gives me the E5's resolution, without the tendency towards lean/bright sound. So, as it stands now, the raincoat power cord is the issue.

However, I plan on upgrading my speaker cable and running some new power lines to my living room shortly. I will run some more listening tests then and give the raincoat cable some more time.
What speaker cables are you using now ?
I still think swapping the PC won't make much of a difference however running new powerlines might.

Have you tried a line conditioner ? It made a subtle difference in my system.
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:52 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Mike FL,

I'm using Acoustic Research 12 gauge zip cord. I will be moving to a modified version of the Cardas Neutral Reference in about two months.

We're upgrading the electrical panel in our home as part of renovations. I'm getting the electrician to run three new lines to the living room. One for the E5, one for the amp and one for the subwoofer. I also have new audio grade outlets for those lines.

I think power conditioners can be helpful when there is alot of noise in the power line. In my case, once the new lines are installed, I don't think there will be a need for a power condiitoner.
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Old 01-19-2006, 05:18 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Asterduc
German Raisin? mother tongue in Belgium is Flemish and French!
In a matter of fact, due to the size of our country, most Flemish people in Belgium are supposed to be multilangual, thus speak and write Netherlands, French, German and English.

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Asterduc- Sorry to offend, it was just a comic artifice. I know your multi-lingual traditions, and chose german to extenuate the comic surprise. (german being such an inhumorous stereotype)
Is my humour wasted ear?
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Old 01-19-2006, 06:45 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Welcome to Head-Fi, Asterduc! Let us know a little bit about yourself by filling in some info in your profile.
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Did you really read throught the entire original thread? It took me three nights when it was just a few months old, I can't imagine how long it takes now!
I wanted to do that, but that took too long.
In fact I was forwarded from google to #65, after some reading I jumped to the last and renewed 5 pages.
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Old 01-19-2006, 06:52 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by raisin
Asterduc- Sorry to offend, it was just a comic artifice. I know your multi-lingual traditions, and chose german to extenuate the comic surprise. (german being such an inhumorous stereotype)
Is my humour wasted ear?
that's okay Raisin, I was with you and I prefer the humour above the serious.

Anyway, the nice thing about forums is that the whole world communicates with 1 language (English).
The bad thing is that people all over the world have different cultures, traditions, expressions etc..., that sometimes makes it bit tricky! I have difficulties myself to explain things, sometimes they show different than they are. People that speak English as main language should keep that in mind and react accordingly.
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My power comes through miles and miles of unpure and cheap copper cable, interupted many, many times by crappy switches and transformers.


Anyone who thinks a 4 to 6 foot power cable, of pure platinum or whatever, no matter how expensive, is going to clean up my power and transform it into something that will improve my sound, is "hearing things".

Let a friend switch the silver raincoat with any other power cable, randomly, without your knowledge of what is being employed at any time, and record your evaluation of better or worse after a switch is made.

It will be close to 50-50 in result.

Do the same with burn in. I have compared several new E5s to one used for many months, and all sound the same in every way - near perfect (for digital sound quality).
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Originally Posted by drarthurwells
My power comes through miles and miles of unpure and cheap copper cable, interupted many, many times by crappy switches and transformers.

Anyone who thinks a 4 to 6 foot power cable, of pure platinum or whatever, no matter how expensive, is going to clean up my power and transform it into something that will improve my sound, is "hearing things".

Let a friend switch the silver raincoat with any other power cable, randomly, without your knowledge of what is being employed at any time, and record your evaluation of better or worse after a switch is made.

It will be close to 50-50 in result.

Do the same with burn in. I have compared several new E5s to one used for many months, and all sound the same in every way - near perfect (for digital sound quality).
From experience I think you are wrong, but I agree that logically it does not make much sense.

What about power conditioners though? If the power comes out of the wall into a conditioner or regenerator wouldn't you think that the power cords would then make more of a difference?

Out of curiosity have you performed the above test to see if you noticed a difference?

What power cord are you using on the E5 currently?
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If you live in a newer home, or have a dedicated audio circuit, or don't live in the NE, crazy powercords might be overkill. However, power conditioning your source is an entirely different animal, and certainly beneficial in my circumstances. (none of the above!)
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here are a few pictures that shows the modification I did to keep the transformer quite.
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Art: My power comes through miles and miles of unpure and cheap copper cable, interupted many, many times by crappy switches and transformers.

Anyone who thinks a 4 to 6 foot power cable, of pure platinum or whatever, no matter how expensive, is going to clean up my power and transform it into something that will improve my sound, is "hearing things".

Let a friend switch the silver raincoat with any other power cable, randomly, without your knowledge of what is being employed at any time, and record your evaluation of better or worse after a switch is made.

It will be close to 50-50 in result.

Philodox: From experience I think you are wrong, but I agree that logically it does not make much sense.

What about power conditioners though? If the power comes out of the wall into a conditioner or regenerator wouldn't you think that the power cords would then make more of a difference?

Art: Filters make sense in power conditioners - electronic hash should be filtered out to clean up the power. Voltage regulation sounds good too. Expensive power cables do not accomplish either of these functions.

Power input is not the audio signal, and six feet of AC cabling to a source should be unimportant when you consider the many miles of impure copper cable leading to your wall. The only argument that would make sense is that somehow a good power cable regulated electron flow into a more phase coherent pattern which makes for better signal processing and better sound. I don't think this is valid. Is this the Tice argument BTW?

Cable in the processed signal path, from the power supply of your source on, is important - much audiophile cable sounds better than Radio Shack Gold Series, and Radio Shack Gold Series sounds better than the really cheap generic cable, in my experience.

Human audio perception is unreliable at times, but enough people claim audio changes from power cable changes to keep the myth going. Same with burn in. Could be something to these things though.
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