I hereby take back all the bad things I've said about PS1.....

[selfdivider]

I love how White Mike comes into these threads and ADMITS he hasn't heard PS1, but condemns everyone who has actually heard it to make made valid assessments based on ACTUAL audition. Everything he says is based on what he merely speculates based on his preconceptions and not actual facts, yet he believes these to be absolute truths. You know who were like that? Flat-earthers. Anti-evolutionists.

[GreatDane]

I've heard the PS1 and to me it was nothing special...which it isn't.

[selfdivider]

Well, at the very least I can respect your opinion because it's actually based on real experience, Great Dane, even if it differs from mine.

[tfarney]

I'll admit to not having heard the PS1, but here in my ignorance and inexperience, I suspect that most of what folks hear whenever they hear huge, eargasm-inspiring differences among modern CDPs, PS1 included, is the color of the output stage. In the case of the PS1, I suspect it is tweaked in favor of the lower mids and has a fairly loud output (gaming, dude) and that gives it a warm sound and a presence folks like.

But it seems fairly obvious that in a PS1 the difference isn't the DAC's great jitter reduction or upsampling, or audiophile-grade parts, or completely separate paths for digital and analog stages, or its sophisticated power supply, or super-accurate crystal clock or any of the other esoteric stuff that is suppose to make the difference in $3000+ CDPs or a $1,000+ DACs. So I'm going with tone. And if anything, the fact that the PS1 sounds so good to some people with high-end listening experience is support for that POV. Cool. What else matters, really? It either sounds good to you or not.

Tim

[White Mike]

Again you seem to have missed the gist of my statements lads.

I have no issue with you enjoying the sound of your PS1's, more power to you for being willing to throw so much extra money at a $30 gaming console to get so much out of it.

The issue I do have is when you endlessly attempt to quantify and validate your enjoyment of the PS1 sound with laundry lists of superlatives or price-equivalency ratings.

I just don't see the value in it. It certainly does nothing towards providing any actual, useful validation.

[rainy]

By the way, one other nice advantage of PS1 is that you can use a wireless gamepad to controll it, which uses RF signals, not IR - you don't have to point it at the unit for it to work. You can even have obstacles between unit and the controller. I just put it on the desk next to me, and hit one of the buttons without having to pick it up. Buttons are also much more prominent and easier to feel around than most remote controls. Display is a disadvantage but if you have a computer nearby you can connect the video out to a tv card and have a tiny window on your screen showing the track.

[tfarney]

Originally Posted by rainy

By the way, one other nice advantage of PS1 is that you can use a wireless gamepad to controll it, which uses RF signals, not IR - you don't have to point it at the unit for it to work. You can even have obstacles between unit and the controller. I just put it on the desk next to me, and hit one of the buttons without having to pick it up. Buttons are also much more prominent and easier to feel around than most remote controls. Display is a disadvantage but if you have a computer nearby you can connect the video out to a tv card and have a tiny window on your screen showing the track.

Wow. If you can control the thing with a PS controller, my son could make CDs dance a jig on the head of a pin.

Tim

[selfdivider]

Originally Posted by White Mike

Again you seem to have missed the gist of my statements lads.

I have no issue with you enjoying the sound of your PS1's, more power to you for being willing to throw so much extra money at a $30 gaming console to get so much out of it.

The issue I do have is when you endlessly attempt to quantify and validate your enjoyment of the PS1 sound with laundry lists of superlatives or price-equivalency ratings.

I just don't see the value in it. It certainly does nothing towards providing any actual, useful validation.

It's kind of funny reading your attempts to justify yourself as some level-headed savant. If you read your posts here, and in other threads, even if the price-equivalency claims have not been made, you keep saying things to the detriment of some PS1 user experience. Once again: based purely on what you dreamt up in your head, and not what you heard actually. And usually, your comments are pretty snarky. It's clear that Chesebert was talking about his Ayre player when he was quoting price, and you said something like '6moons garbage filter.' Uh... what did he ever do to you, chief? Why so negative? I don't even remember what you said in the other thread, but it was similarly... I don't know... snarky. Some sideswiping, disingenuous BS. Again, I respect people who've heard it & don't like PS1. That's totally cool & fine, not only w/ me but other people who write about their experience w/ PS1. People write about the equipment they like, to share. They're not some Jehova's Witness minions knocking down your door to convert you. Why get so riled up in the first place, man? I also appreciate input from members like tfarney, who posts his speculations with logic and willingness to see from all angles. But all you do, White Mike, is just throw up empty claims or insults and then tell the other people that you're misunderstood.

Just look over your own posts, amigo. If you don't get what I'm talking about, you should brush up on your rhetoric.

[chesebert]

Originally Posted by tfarney

I'll admit to not having heard the PS1, but here in my ignorance and inexperience, I suspect that most of what folks hear whenever they hear huge, eargasm-inspiring differences among modern CDPs, PS1 included, is the color of the output stage. In the case of the PS1, I suspect it is tweaked in favor of the lower mids and has a fairly loud output (gaming, dude) and that gives it a warm sound and a presence folks like.

1. PS1 output around 1.8V in my case via RCA and the std RCA output is 2V, so its actually quieter.

2. No amount of coloration of the midrange can recreate soundstage, separation, detail, articulation, and timbre correctness and etc.

Originally Posted by tfarney

But it seems fairly obvious that in a PS1 the difference isn't the DAC's great jitter reduction or upsampling, or audiophile-grade parts, or completely separate paths for digital and analog stages, or its sophisticated power supply, or super-accurate crystal clock or any of the other esoteric stuff that is suppose to make the difference in $3000+ CDPs or a $1,000+ DACs. So I'm going with tone. And if anything, the fact that the PS1 sounds so good to some people with high-end listening experience is support for that POV. Cool. What else matters, really? It either sounds good to you or not.

Why is that obvious to you?

Why is it obvious that $3k CDP must have a separate path for digital/analog, sophisticated power supply, super accurate crystal clock and other esoteric stuff? (I know Rega doesn't, Linn doesn't, Ayre doesn't, Meridian doesn't, TP doesn't; at least not all of the requirements)

[chesebert]

Originally Posted by White Mike

Again you seem to have missed the gist of my statements lads.

I have no issue with you enjoying the sound of your PS1's, more power to you for being willing to throw so much extra money at a $30 gaming console to get so much out of it.

The issue I do have is when you endlessly attempt to quantify and validate your enjoyment of the PS1 sound with laundry lists of superlatives or price-equivalency ratings.

I just don't see the value in it. It certainly does nothing towards providing any actual, useful validation.

Would you be happier if I omit the price and just say PS1 sounds equivalent (different but not deficient) to Ayre C7Xe, C5Xe, Saturn, Creek Destiny, TP, Linn Unidisc and G08? does that make you feel better?

ok..PS1 is a little deficient in the bass region compare to the best and a little less extension at the top..but none of those players are perfect anyway.

I think the fact that PS1 can come even within striking distance of those top players is surprising to say the least.

And if you care to check my posts here you will find that I was very antagonistic toward PS1 for as long as I can remember...it was nothing but pure boredom that force to me 'play' around with the player by hooking it up to my best cables and giving it the best power I can get. Let's just say the rest is history.