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03-31-2008, 02:33 PM
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Twilight Tube-MOSFET mu-stage hybrid headphone amplifier
6CG7 + several 2SK213s, mu-follower topology with additional MOSFETs as line smoothers. It took me two years to get around and finish the thing, and the concept - a single tube headphone amp - has been kicking around my head for more than a decade I guess. It ended up a bit bigger than I originally planned, but overall I'm really pleased with how it turned out.
Most importantly, it glows:
When it not glowing, it looks like this:
The insides are pretty messy and look like this:
Finally you can peruse the circuit schematic here: (large, so I wont embed it)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...ht_circuit.png
The circuit puts about less than 10W heat including the filament, and gives about 40 mW (calculated limit at 1% distortion) output power into 300 ohms. Hum and noise below 0.2 mV, and inaudible.
Given that you need a 60 V secondary, and ideally the 2SK213s, this isn't ever going to be one for the masses. It's rewarding, though, if you are willing to go this distance with it.
/rjm
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03-31-2008, 03:07 PM
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i cant believe what i'm seeing here, it's absolutely beautiful.
I really really love the simplicity of the circuit. It's...just...elegant.
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03-31-2008, 05:02 PM
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Quote:
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6CG7 + several 2SK213s, mu-follower topology with additional MOSFETs as line smoothers.
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Excellent design, and beautiful execution.
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The insides are pretty messy and look like this:
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Messy? You're kidding, right? I don't know that it could be much better...
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03-31-2008, 08:12 PM
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Very nice...I'm certainly far, far from an authority on this, but I think it looks like a nice scheme. If pmillett thinks it's a nice design, that only confirms for me that it is. I have a pair of 6CG7's sitting around doing nothing, so I'm going to consider putting one together in the future.
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03-31-2008, 11:23 PM
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Nice. When will the kit be avaliable? ;-)
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04-01-2008, 01:47 AM
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Lovely job, inside and out.
2 questions--
How does it sound?
Does the heat sink get hot? If so, it would make a fine winter amp here in Wisconsin.
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04-01-2008, 04:00 AM
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Any plans to put the Eagle files on your site? The first two replies on this page sold me on the fact that one way or another, I will be building this amp...
Last edited by Marzie; 04-01-2008 at 04:01 AM.
Reason: changed posts to replies
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04-01-2008, 04:49 AM
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The files are posted over @ HW , truly great work imo..dB
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04-01-2008, 05:41 AM
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Quote:
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The files are posted over @ HW , truly great work imo..dB
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Ahh, and here I've been taking a crash course in Eagle for the last 2 hours. Good learning experience, though.
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04-01-2008, 07:02 AM
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Very nice work!
Do I really need another project? I get the feeling I'll end up with one of these.
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04-01-2008, 02:27 PM
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Thanks for the kind words. If you have any questions I'll do my best to answer them. Except for "how does it sound?" part. That will have to wait for a bit.
"When is the kit available?"
I realise that was only half-serious, but I don't think the Twilight project lends itself to being packaged as a kit. Too much, like the transformer, is out of the mainstream.
"How hot does the case get?"
The MOSFETs and the source resistor are bolted to the case with a large 4 inch square heatsink on top the whole thing is just pleasantly warm to the touch. Its not even any good as a hot plate to keep my coffee warm.
"Any plans to put the Eagle files on your site?"
I will attend to that shortly. I've just updated the Twilight homepage, basically putting there what I just posted here. I'll do the Eagle files shortly.
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04-01-2008, 07:09 PM
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Anyone able to translate the eagle files to Autocad? I would like to add things to the layout like space for heatsinks, the tube socket, and the wiring that was done point to point. I can get autocad from work, but I don't think we have the "inventor" software that does translation. Anybody else interested in this? Or would it be mucking up a great design?
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04-02-2008, 06:40 AM
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Or would it be mucking up a great design?
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No, definitely not. Its the way it is only because it had to fit on 100x160mm. The point to point stuff isn't that difficult, but it would help to use a terminal strip next to the socket to provide additional lugs for supporting components. I regretted not using one.
Also note that IRF510 do not share the same pinout as the 2SK213, so chances are you'll have to redo large sections of the PCB regardless.
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04-02-2008, 03:50 PM
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Quote:
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Anyone able to translate the eagle files to Autocad?
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Eagle has a ULP called DXF. Just turn on all the layers, do a "R" to fill the copper, and run DXF.
It will generate a multi-layer DXF file (each layer on it's own... layer...) It can get painfully large for a big PCB.
You can then open the DXF in ACAD, or insert it as a block.
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04-03-2008, 08:08 AM
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Beautiful. Are those black resistors Welwyns?
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