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Old 12-30-2007, 04:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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After building the Cyburg Stick and Buschhorn I've really gotten the DIY-flu. I'll be working on a speaker project in the new year, and figured I'd keep a log up to date with my progress here. Going will be rather slow, not so much spare moolah laying around after december.

I've recently gotten a pair of Jordan VTL speakers sporting Jordan JX92s drivers. Much impressed as I am with these speakers, I can't help but wonder what they'll do in a no-compromise design. The VTL's are great speakers to hear and see, but they are rather small, and sexy as they may be, there might be more performance in the JX92s than the VTL can deliver.
Insides pointed me to the J-Low. They won't fit in my room though, so essentially, I'll be building a slightly modified version of the J-Low. Dubbed the Smaller Huge J-Low. I'll be keeping a fairly detailed log here, in case somebody else may want to build it (and because I'd like to be able to read back later where I've gone wrong...).

The J-Low

This is a design made by Nelson Pass. It's a no-compromise, back-loaded exponential horn using the JX92S that stands 1.82 meters tall, 4 cm less tall than I am. The original design is 60 cm wide -- too wide to fit my relatively small room. If I built them from the original design, I wouldn't be able to open the door to my room anymore. To get an idea of how large this thing really is, here's a small picture I nabbed off of Passdiy.com:



Another picture from a private builder:


Here are two PDF's with more information, including schematics and instructions on building the J-Low:
http://passdiy.com/pdf/j-low.pdf
http://passdiy.com/pdf/jlowassy.pdf

The Jordan JX92s

Information on this driver can be found here: Jordan JX92S specifications
A quote from that page:

Embracing a range of almost nine octaves, the JX92S offers the widest bandwidth of any single drive unit available. This not only provides an exceptionally smooth, high-definition, crossover-free sound quality but allows for a very diverse range of applications.

The JX92S can be successfully used with all types of enclosures including closed or vented boxes, transmission lines and horn loaded designs. It is eminently suitable for professional near-field monitors, high quality domestic hi-fi, home cinema and custom installations. The unit is magnetically screened, enabling it to be used in close proximity to computer monitors and television screens.
But why?

I said earlier that I wanted to see what the JX92s could be in an optimal design. That's part of the reason I want to build the J-Low. Perhaps even more important: I want to build them because they are insane! No, seriously, that is actually a large part in my reason behind building these. Hardly anyone has built these speakers because they are so wife/girlfriend-unfriendly and can't be used in a living room since guests would die of shock. Sadly (luckily in this case), I'm not being held back by a girlfriend (or wife!), and have no living room. Meaning: I can do whatever the hell I want for now, and I'll be damned if I'm not going to take advantage of that while I still can.

But they're huge!

Indeed. Too huge. I'm missing roughly 25 cm of space, so I need to make them slightly thinner than the original design. After some discussion with Tony from Humble Homemade Hifi he came to the conclusion that it's possible to make them about 15cm's smaller without effecting the sound. The only effect it is likely to have is a slightly less large contact area with the room, which could result in less bass presence and slam. This is hardly an issue in my small room, as they are more than large enough to provide all the slam I'll ever need. The room will be dominated by these speakers anyhow. So, they'll become 45 cm's wide instead of 60 cm, and will be just as tall and deep as the original design.

The schematics

I've modeled the SH-J-Low in Sketchup.
You can grab the Sketchup file here, if you want: http://www.iamrik.com/jlow/jlowslim1.skp

The schematics are based on 18 mm material. I'll be working pre-veneered 18 mm MDF. MDF is brilliant for making speakers. A very strong material and easy to work with.

The top and bottom part mismatch with 1mm since the original design is based around 19 mm (3/4") material. On a speaker this large, I'll be ignoring such a small difference. I can redo the schematic to make up for this single mm, but frankly, I can't be bothered.


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That's it for now. Expect updates in this thread in the beginning of January.

Signing off to get insanely drunk and wake up sometime 2008 quite possibly in a ditch, under a bridge, or worse. Have a great new years eve folks!

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What do you know, didn't even wake up in a ditch or under a bridge.

Local DIY store here sells decently (fake)veneered MDF in 2.5m x 60cm 18mm panels, so I made a panel schedule. That's 3mm less deep than the original drawings, but on 60cm that can be neglected. I'll need 7 panels in total for two speakers, giving me a bit more than half a panel spare. A panel of some light colored wood (completely forgot the name) is €25 per panel, and a sexy dark one is €35. Comes down to €175 - €245 in wood, depending on which one I go with. Haven't made up my mind.

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Cool Rik!

I'll be following this build. Not sure those are the right size for my own build, but it's great that you decided to document the process this time.
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I've been curious about this design as well as the other double horns and the BIB designs being built. I'd love to play with one of these and maybe mount the driver on the side to load the corners more and get away with a bit more of a flush design and take advantage of the wide baffle. Being an apartment guy I'll just screw around with headphones right now and watch.

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Cool Rik!

I'll be following this build. Not sure those are the right size for my own build, but it's great that you decided to document the process this time.
Thanks, I'm not all that sure about the size yet either, but we'll see where this goes. Either I end up with huge speakers in my room, or I have a lot of wood for the fireplace.

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I've been curious about this design as well as the other double horns and the BIB designs being built. I'd love to play with one of these and maybe mount the driver on the side to load the corners more and get away with a bit more of a flush design and take advantage of the wide baffle. Being an apartment guy I'll just screw around with headphones right now and watch.

Go big.
The BIB design is also something that appeals to me, especially since a lot of people have built it and most of them are very satisfied.

What you said about expirimenting with the driver location.... it should be easy to make a switchable Fb so I could play with the driver location. Will give this some thought, great idea.



Made a huge mess of things in the earlier panel schedule so I removed it from my post. Here's the new one, including a Visio drawing of what goes where on the panels.


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Good luck to your build! I'l be watching with greatest interest.

J-low is what I would like to have(or actually the kleinhorn).Unfortunately my space for speakers is limited by hight.The MLTL 48" is as tall as I can have for now.

Once you have finished,please let us know how they sound compared to VTL.
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Good luck to your build! I'l be watching with greatest interest.

J-low is what I would like to have(or actually the kleinhorn).Unfortunately my space for speakers is limited by hight.The MLTL 48" is as tall as I can have for now.

Once you have finished,please let us know how they sound compared to VTL.
Hi, thanks.

I also would love to have something as large as the Kleinhorns -- but that'll most likely never be possible. Do you have the MLTL 48" with Jordans, or are you thinking about making them? I may build a set out of MDF just because it's such an easy build and there's a bunch of very favorable commentery on them.

I'll definitely get a review/comparison between the J-Low and the VTL. I may not have both of them playing at the same time for a while though -- I only have one set of drivers.
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Hi, thanks.

Do you have the MLTL 48" with Jordans, or are you thinking about making them?
I already have them.With some BSC and toe-in the sound is quite nice.But it would be interesting to hear J-low.

I think your approach in making them not so wide is also more pleasing to an eye,they are still huge.
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I already have them.With some BSC and toe-in the sound is quite nice.But it would be interesting to hear J-low.

I think your approach in making them not so wide is also more pleasing to an eye,they are still huge.
I'm not very knowledgeable about BSC's. I just keep moving the speakers untill it sounds right. Since I can't play with the placement of the J-Low's at all, a BSC might be fun to mess around with. Are you using a filter before your amplifier?

Toe-in could become an issue with the J-Low's. From my experience, the JX92s sound best when crossing in front of the listening position (which corresponds to them being designed for a 30+30 degrees toe-in). This isn't possible for me with the J-Low, as it's a very tight fit in my room and they will have to be with their backs flat against the rear wall. I hope the large size of the speaker and horn mouths make up for the lack of toe-in. Two things can happen: speakers sounding too bright (though I doubt that'll happen since they are fairly bass heavy speakers), and loss of imaging. Will this be a problem? I dunno, hope not. Haha, not exactly rocket science this... just build them and hope they don't sound too awful. I'm liking that approach.

I have decided to make a J-Low from plain 18mm MDF first, before going with pre-veneered wood. It'll give me the possibilty to mess around with stuffing in the area behind the driver (keeping one side of the J-Low screwed-only, so I can easily take it apart and adjust if needed), and it gives me a bit of practise to avoid messing up a bunch of nice wood.
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Are you using a filter before your amplifier?

Yep,between the preamp and amplifier,a simple BSC with few resistors and a capacitor per channel.I have also used a cheap passive filter at the speakers,it doesnt sound quite as good as line level filter.And it takes some of the eficiency down.The good quality coils are so expensive I haven't tried those.

I have actually listened my Jordans a lot also with toe-out, ap. 90 decrees from the back wall.In my room the speaker placement is a bit problematic,they are located under my bed...well the bed is about 50" high.
The sound is more lively with toe-out and also more dynamic.
So maybe the J-low will sound nice too without the recomended toe-in.
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