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Old 05-22-2003, 07:20 PM
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Default D25s Turbo (mods comments and ideas)

ok.. this is the 2nd half of the file about the little Turbo...i would love some comments and ideas about possible implemetations of the dac and other posibilities...


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The player is composed of two pcb boards, I will refer to this boards as top and bottom while the player is upside down. There is also a small PS pcb in the back corner.


Mod one: Opamp swap.

Open the player, take off all the small pieces of tape that hold the wires, remove the screws in the top boards and carefully push apart the top board so it lets you access the bottom board.

On the bottom part, you will find the soic8 opamp http://www.rohm.com/products/databoo...df/ba10358.pdf It is located in the middle of the board between the cxdxxxx and cxaxxxx chips. Carefully use a desoldering braid to remove all the possible solder. Applying heat and using small flat screwdriver (that is how I do it if you have a better technique go for it!), from one side try to push the screwdriver under the opamp. It should come up easily. There is just one thing to keep in mind: do not force or overheat the pcb.

Once the opamp is out, get the one you like (I used an ad8620 overkill?? Yeah, probably, but it makes me happy) and carefully lift the #8 leg until it is horizontal enough so it will not touch the pcb. This leg will be used to feed the opamp straight from the players PS. Place the opamp in the board, solder the remaining 7 legs, use a small piece of electric tape covering the 3 legs and going under the lifted leg so it gets isolated and it is easy to access. Solder a thin wire to the lifted lead and run the wire to the PS, find the XX positive leg of the bigger capacitor and solder it there XX this allows the opamp to be fed with 5v, not the 3.xv you get from the bottom pcb.

Mod two: Capacitors.

I paralleled (2) 470uf axial nichicons I got from radio shack (you can obviously use better ones, if you wish) run a pair of wires to the battery compartment (you will lose the battery capability since the room will be used to accommodate the caps. Though you will still be able to use an external battery pack, (if you wish.) and connect the wires in parallel with the 150uf cap in the player. Or replace the 150uf cap with pp film bypasses and connect the caps from the battery compartment to the leads of the pp films. BTW: I recommend removing the old caps. As the units are old, the caps may have become dried out.

You can also play with the decoupling caps at the headphone out (in back of top pcb, 2 small 100uf nichicons). Try something in the 220-470uf range. Of course, check for fit, first.

Mod 3: The Turbo: paralleling the dac chip.

By doing this mod the player will became a dual dac player, fancy name but wonderful sound. This mod will make the player sound TOTALLY different

In order to do this mod, you will need a spare player to scavenge the pcm66p dac chip or order one from Partsolver.com and parallel it (using the piggyback technique) to the player you are modifying.

I am assuming you have the pcm66p chip already out of the board and ready to be installed

First thing to do is to clear the area in the top pcb where the chip will be installed and where the soldering iron will get close to avoid burning the ribbons and cables.

The most difficult part of this mod is to adapt the extra chip so it can be piggybacked:

Using a flat long nose pliers squeeze the legs of the chip until they are flat (yes you are reading right, make the leads of the chip straight) then find a way of making the leads to go down and straight (I use a piece of glass(window) and carefully push one side of the chip against the glass until all the leads are in the down straight position)



imagine this is the chip with the straightened legs (chip view from front)
____
--| |--


and these are the leads down straight

_____
| |
| |


Now the down straight adapted chip leads are just barely long enough to touch the ones on the DAC chip installed on the board. Once the chip is placed on top

Something like this

________
| 1 dac |
------------
| 2 dac |
/ PCB \

Recap: get an extra dac; flatten the pads; bend the leads down; place it on top of the other chip.

Now, all you have to do is solder each pad to the one from the chip below. Take your time and remember it can be done. Once you think you have finished, get a multimeter and check from the top of the upper chip lead to the pcb for continuity, I usually miss 3 or 4 and have to redo them is time consuming, but you have to make completely sure they are all soldered. Remember to solder the white cable back.

Use 5mm wide copper tape to shield the dac, cover it with tape solder a wire on top of the tape and solder the other end of the wire to the copper piece that shields the ribbon from the laser unit.

Now you will realize the dac sticks out a bit and you will have to force on the cover plate...there is an easy trick to fix this problem: If you take the top pcb out, you will find a small piece of metal in the front of the player (between the display and the bottons) that is used to keep the top pcb straight and also to accommodate a screw, if you rip that piece of (yes, rip it off, twist it until it breaks, bent in down..whatever..just get rid of it.) now the top pcb can flex just enough to let the cover push the prominent duo (dacs) down and will let the cover be flat and nice.

Some info about paralleled dac can be found at:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/searc...der=descending


Mod 4: external power supply :

The ps is basically the one from PPL:

http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/attac...&postid=225603

It is powered by a 12vdc@1amp wallwart. You could use a 9-12vac wallwart and a diode bridge/input caps.

There are other possibilities. Just use a good ps. The Turbo deserves it.

Mod 5: assorted mods:


-Using blueTak for the crystal: get a nice piece of bluetak in the bottom side of the top pcb you will find the crystal oscillator, lift it up carfully and apply a big chunk of bluetak around..

-Get a piece of green adhesive paper (linoleum kinda thing, friend gave it to me so I dont know where to find it...sorry) and cover the bottom side of the cd players lid.

-Use little adhesive rubber tips thingies as isolation devices; put 3 in the bottom of the player 2 in the front 1 in the back, in an unequal triangle. They will help dampen some of the absorb vibration and make the player more stable and less slippery.


-----end


m.
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I can't find the dac chip at partsolver. Do you think you could post a part number?
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Old 05-22-2003, 09:14 PM
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I can't find the dac chip at partsolver. Do you think you could post a part number?
They don't list one for the Sony d25 anymore. They do list the PCM66 for a Kenwood:

http://partsolver.com/Product.asp?In...tutePart=False[/URL]
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Old 05-22-2003, 11:08 PM
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Default Dual Dacs

I've briefly talked to mekanoplastik in PM about this, and he felt we should discuss it here, so here we go...

In the D25, the DAC works in Dual Channel mode, i.e. the chip handles left and right channel alternately and the outputs aren't in phase.
By using a second DAC, it is possible to use them in Single Channel mode, so that each chip is dedicated to one stereo channel, giving in phase output. To achieve this, you would have to connect the second DAC a little differently than mechanoplastik describes. As far as I think to have understood, it would need to look like below (modified detail from the D25 schematic, see toro_bull's thread - second DAC in red, addtional connections and cuts in blue).


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They don't list one for the Sony d25 anymore. They do list the PCM66 for a Kenwood:

http://partsolver.com/Product.asp?In...tutePart=False[/URL]
$49.80
This chip wasn't by chance used in some other (inexpensive) players that could serve as donors (besides a Kenwood KDC83R, obviously - seems to be a car unit?)?
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Old 05-22-2003, 11:21 PM
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great info !!

maybe whenever you install your extra chip, you could try both methods, that will be very cool...

remember to build a nice ps, i noticed the difference betwen the ratshak and the regulated one...


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Old 05-23-2003, 12:04 AM
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This chip wasn't by chance used in some other (inexpensive) players that could serve as donors (besides a Kenwood KDC83R, obviously - seems to be a car unit?)?
Cost of the pcm66 is pricey, because the chip no longer in production, so they got you by the balls. Finding a donor would be the best(cheapest)option. There are probably other players that used the pcm66. If you could find such a player, ebay would be good place to look.

Based on the results of the Turbo, it would still be worth the cost, in my biased(?)/humbled opinion.
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Is it possible to replace the dacs with modern ones?
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Is it possible to replace the dacs with modern ones?
I personally don't know of any direct drop-in replacements. There may be though. Dunno.
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I have just done the capacitor mod. I orginally replaced stock with tantalums, but replaced them with Panasonic NGH. I wired 2 220uf in parallel for the old 150uf value and 1 220uf for the 100uf value. Pics soon. Bass is definitely more prominent and goes deeper, thought slower than my old tantalums.
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Old 05-26-2003, 05:03 AM
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I used 4x330uf HFQ's/polypropylene film bypasses, with no apparent slowness in the bass. Actually improved overall bass speed and response. May have something to do with difference in caps used.
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Heres pics of my mod. A bit messy, but it works.
Puppyslugg, perhaps because you bypassed your caps. How did you do so? Do you have pics?
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Old 05-26-2003, 05:25 AM
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Hi was ist los:

I stuck the 4 caps inside the battery compartment along with the film bypasses and ran leads back to 150uf cap's(removed) pads. Probably would have been better to have inserted the film bypasses in the 150uf cap's position and attached the electrolytic's leads to the film's.

Sorry no pictures at the moment. Maybe when MekanoPlastik's situation is settled.

Did you post a link for pictures? There doesn't appear to be a link.
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LOL whoops i forgot! Here you go: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/chanman25...tos.yahoo.com/
Oh and what does the tape do?
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Old 05-26-2003, 05:48 AM
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Oh and what does the tape do?
You mean the green adhesive paper?
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