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11-21-2008, 11:33 AM
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Anyways, any suggestions or comments would be very much appreciated. I'd really like to find that 'thundering' bass everyone's talking about
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Hey solessthanthree! I do not really have any solid advise to give you, more than that if you're thinking of getting another set of cans with more bass, maybe you should check out Sony's new XB(eXtra Bass) headphones.
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WOW, what is all that?
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11-21-2008, 11:51 AM
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Hey solessthanthree! I do not really have any solid advise to give you, more than that if you're thinking of getting another set of cans with more bass, maybe you should check out Sony's new XB(eXtra Bass) headphones.
WOW, what is all that?
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11-21-2008, 02:56 PM
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This needs to be posted in the Zero Mod Thread rather than here. Congratulations though, it's completely crazy...great stuff!
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11-21-2008, 03:28 PM
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Ahhhh, Dude, You're runnin' out of chassis there.
SOMEBODY STOOOPPPP ME! STOPPP ME BEFORE I MOD AGAIN!!!
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11-21-2008, 05:29 PM
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If anyone's interested, I had another listen to the HDAMs after some burning in. The Moon I reckon is the one to go for, having the most soundstage of the three, the Sun being the most "in your face" and the Earth being in between.
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Which HDAM unit should I go for to combo with the D2000? I want to make the D2000 sounds smoother especially in the treble and mids region. I reckon based on my findings in this thread the 'earth' would be the most suitable but I'm open to other suggestions.
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11-21-2008, 07:30 PM
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I feel bad for posting this in here, but I've spent the last two weeks reading three hundred of the pages in this thread as well as some others. From what I've read the Zero should be able to drive the 80ohm DT770s but I purchased the 250ohm 05 consumer edition and the bass is far weaker than I had imagined. Can anyone with experience with the 05 DT770s connected to the Zero without a dedicated amp comment on this?
I heard some people had good experiences with this setup but it's not happening for me. I've gotten the suggestion to pick up a dedicated amp but I'm skeptical at the moment but I'm willing to try it out.
I'm seriously considering selling these, but as my first real set of cans, I'd feel terrible for ending my hifi experience this early  but I think I'd be happier finding something more fitting.
Anyways, any suggestions or comments would be very much appreciated. I'd really like to find that 'thundering' bass everyone's talking about  |
The Zero happily drives my 600ohm Senns. You may find that particular models of opamp give you a greater sense of bass depth, but I do suspect it would be trying to cure an inherent design characteristic of the cans themselves, rather than the DAC/amp itself.
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11-21-2008, 11:05 PM
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The Zero happily drives my 600ohm Senns. You may find that particular models of opamp give you a greater sense of bass depth, but I do suspect it would be trying to cure an inherent design characteristic of the cans themselves, rather than the DAC/amp itself.
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Ahhh... I see. Thanks for all the great advice guys. Alas, I've got a lot to learn still and I think I just need to look around a bit more to get what I'm really after. I think I'll end up selling these anyways and pick up the 80ohm version once I get my post count up :] and then maybe pick up a dedicated amp. Thanks again everyone!
And also, cuoreboy, that's a monstrosity sure lives up to its name! Awesome job!
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11-21-2008, 11:31 PM
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Ahhh... I see. Thanks for all the great advice guys. Alas, I've got a lot to learn still and I think I just need to look around a bit more to get what I'm really after. I think I'll end up selling these anyways and pick up the 80ohm version once I get my post count up :] and then maybe pick up a dedicated amp. Thanks again everyone!
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You will most likely like the 80 ohm pro's better. Also, the Head amp in the Zero is pretty good, don't sell it short!
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11-22-2008, 01:17 AM
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Which HDAM unit should I go for to combo with the D2000? I want to make the D2000 sounds smoother especially in the treble and mids region. I reckon based on my findings in this thread the 'earth' would be the most suitable but I'm open to other suggestions.
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I'm personally recommending the Moon, because of the greater soundstage. That being said, "soundstage" in headphones is an illusion of slight differences in EQ.
With the D2000s though, how long have you had them? They tend to be a bit harsh in the treble initially, which goes away with some hours of use.
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11-22-2008, 02:03 AM
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You will most likely like the 80 ohm pro's better. Also, the Head amp in the Zero is pretty good, don't sell it short!
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The Zero in itself is a great unit for the price, but I'm of the persuasion that its builtin headphone amp section just doesn't compare to a real, separate amp. I recently purchased a Heed CanAmp to pair with my K701, but even with my '05 DT770 the improvement is phenomenal. That said, I'm extremely happy with the Zero as a source.
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11-22-2008, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Currawong
I'm personally recommending the Moon, because of the greater soundstage. That being said, "soundstage" in headphones is an illusion of slight differences in EQ.
With the D2000s though, how long have you had them? They tend to be a bit harsh in the treble initially, which goes away with some hours of use.
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Well I don't have Denons, but with my closed phones (the Beyer DT-250 80ohm version) I really liked what the Moon did for them. Opened up soundstage a lot and seemed to give more bass punch than the Earth. But honestly you can't really go wrong with any of the HDAMs (including the Sun, IMO).
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11-22-2008, 03:12 AM
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The Zero in itself is a great unit for the price, but I'm of the persuasion that its builtin headphone amp section just doesn't compare to a real, separate amp. I recently purchased a Heed CanAmp to pair with my K701, but even with my '05 DT770 the improvement is phenomenal. That said, I'm extremely happy with the Zero as a source.
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Here's what I'm listening to presently.
Vista 64 >> HT Omega Stryker 7.1 SC SPDIF >> Zero DAC >> LD MK V >> Senn HD650
I'm burning in everything at present at various stages of maturity, all new though.
Zero Has HDAM and LT1364. It is very easy to move the Senns from the LD MKV to the Zero. The Zero ain't Bad! Going to add a DV 337SE to the mix in the Next month with a separate Identical Zero. If you are looking for a DAC and a Head amp that's Pretty good and don't want to hobby it up, you can stop at the Zero. But that ain't what this forum is about is it??
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11-22-2008, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by solessthanthree
I feel bad for posting this in here, but I've spent the last two weeks reading three hundred of the pages in this thread as well as some others. From what I've read the Zero should be able to drive the 80ohm DT770s but I purchased the 250ohm 05 consumer edition and the bass is far weaker than I had imagined. Can anyone with experience with the 05 DT770s connected to the Zero without a dedicated amp comment on this?
I heard some people had good experiences with this setup but it's not happening for me. I've gotten the suggestion to pick up a dedicated amp but I'm skeptical at the moment but I'm willing to try it out.
I'm seriously considering selling these, but as my first real set of cans, I'd feel terrible for ending my hifi experience this early but I think I'd be happier finding something more fitting.
Anyways, any suggestions or comments would be very much appreciated. I'd really like to find that 'thundering' bass everyone's talking about |
If the 770's are new, you might wanna try burning them in for a few days before deciding on the bass
I felt the same way as you did when i got mine, but after 3 days of burning in the bass was a lot stronger and had more impact
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11-22-2008, 03:15 AM
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If the 770's are new, you might wanna try burning them in for a few days before deciding on the bass
I felt the same way as you did when i got mine, but after 3 days of burning in the bass was a lot stronger and had more impact
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I had the same phones, you are right, it gets better, but not better enough.
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Conversation with future Nobel Prize winner Doris Lessing in 1969: Lessing: "You do still have gangsters [in Chicago], don't you?" Studs Terkel: "Yes, but these days they're mostly in business, or politics."
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office" Aesop
Ich Bin Ein Europeaner!
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11-22-2008, 03:40 AM
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I'm personally recommending the Moon, because of the greater soundstage. That being said, "soundstage" in headphones is an illusion of slight differences in EQ.
With the D2000s though, how long have you had them? They tend to be a bit harsh in the treble initially, which goes away with some hours of use.
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I got it used (about 4 months old) and it was recabled with the D5000 cables. How would the earth compare to moon?
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