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Old 05-17-2008, 09:18 AM   #21 (permalink)
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You seem to be a bit lazy.

In reaper, you do this way:

- record the vinyl (one or two sides into one or two tracks)
(- rename the take as artist-album-01 for A side and artist-album-02 for B side (use real names for artist/album) [select the track and use Item properties to open the dialog]) - not necessary task
- you'll find the normalize option there behind above dialog if you just like to normalize the track(s)
- mark the position and then select the feature to split the track into an album track (1-n) one by one (you can zoom (,ouse scroll button) to find the exact position better) [split item at cursor]
- add fade in/out for tack(s) if you like to or just leave those 'gapless'
- (this is stupid but) move every split track into the position of 0:0:0 ... each on it's own track (just insert a new track 1st if there aren't free ones) [drag'n'drop]
- add processing filters (restoration, eq, etc. if needed)
- consolidate/export tracks (several formats)

I'll add some pics later.

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Originally Posted by jiiteepee View Post
You seem to be a bit lazy.

In reaper, you do this way:

- record the vinyl (one or two sides into one or two tracks)
(- rename the take as artist-album-01 for A side and artist-album-02 for B side (use real names for artist/album) [select the track and use Item properties to open the dialog]) - not necessary task
- you'll find the normalize option there behind above dialog if you just like to normalize the track(s)
- mark the position and then select the feature to split the track into an album track (1-n) one by one (you can zoom (,ouse scroll button) to find the exact position better) [split item at cursor]
- add fade in/out for tack(s) if you like to or just leave those 'gapless'
- (this is stupid but) move every split track into the position of 0:0:0 ... each on it's own track (just insert a new track 1st if there aren't free ones) [drag'n'drop]
- add processing filters (restoration, eq, etc. if needed)
- consolidate/export tracks (several formats)

I'll add some pics later.

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Yeah, I am sorta lazy (these things take a lot of time to get the way one likes). But from what I'm reading and seeing, Reaper isn't as flexible as Audacity when it comes to Normalizing, Tagging, and DC Offset.
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Yeah, I am sorta lazy (these things take a lot of time to get the way one likes). But from what I'm reading and seeing, Reaper isn't as flexible as Audacity when it comes to Normalizing, Tagging, and DC Offset.
I don't want to start arguing in this but, may you explain the main differences and why/what in flexibility is better in these cases because of, reading (needs some understanding from you ...) and seeing (just a sense of yours (meaning, We can't see what you see there)) does not make that argument fully "credible". So, some technical comparisons (links are OK) and pictures showing the results from your comparison (normalization/DC-Offset results) would improve your credibility.


What comes into DC-Offset, by Harmony Central article, DC Offset: The Case of the Missing Headroom By Craig Anderton:


There are three main ways to solve DC offset problems with software-based digital audio editing programs:

1. Most pro-level digital audio editing software includes a DC offset correction function, generally found under a "processing" menu along with functions like change gain, reverse, flip phase, etc. This function analyzes the signal, and adds or subtracts the required amount of correction to make sure that 0 really is 0. Many sequencing programs also include DC offset correction as part of a set of editing options (Fig. 3).
Could AnalogX DC Offset (DX plug-in), etc. plug-ins be used real time while recording the wet signal?


2. Apply a steep high-pass filter that cuts off everything below 20Hz or so. (Even with a comparatively gentle 12dB/octave filter, a signal at 0.5Hz will still be down more than 60dB). In practice, it's not a bad idea anyway to nuke the subsonic part of the spectrum, as some processing can interact with a signal to produce modulation in the below 20Hz zone. Your speakers can't reproduce signals this low and they just use up bandwidth, so nuke 'em.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/4026237-post2.html

Just configure Reaper to record WET signal (Record: Output] w/ this plug-in ...



3. Select a 2—10 millisecond or so region at the beginning and end of the file or segment with the offset, and apply a fadein and fadeout. This will create an envelope that starts and ends at 0, respectively. It won't get rid of the DC offset component within the file (so you still have the restricted headroom problem), but at least you won't hear a pop at transitions.
You can use Reapers build-in functionality for this ... by selecting all clips, it should be possible to group add those fade ins/outs [Item Properties, set the start and end fade type and time].


As by the KVR Wiki,

DC Offset

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To remove DC offset, a number of options are available ranging from applying a Low-Pass Filter to the waveform to using correction features built into most Audio Editors such as Wavelab or Audition. Dedicated DC Offset plugins in several formats such as VST and Direct X are also available.

Looks opposite to what HC's article states, but, if this is the case (too) then, you can add the LP filter to the above mentioned EQ preset (as for an example). Use say 20 kHz as the cut Freq. and select the type of filter as 36dB/oct LP. It's possible to test the EQ preset result by using Buddes VST Plug-in Analyzer



Since I don't know the Audacity .... what comes to tagging, which you say been implemented in Audacity, do you mean ID3 tagging added in exported files or what?


BTW, by the Reaper documentation, it's possible to set Reaper to slice the recording into pieces automatically ... Once I tried another software w/ this type of feature and it just didn't work well with certain type of music. I didn't try this now w/ Reaper so if anyone there is ripping vinyls using Reaper ...


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DC correction is a simple option in Audacity in the normalization menu. I'm not arguing what it is or how programs go about it or wanting to post pictures debating pre and post DC correction. Rather, I am curious if Reaper has any built in DC correction options.

As for tagging, Audacity will tag all the files as I define on export. It also increments the track number based on my labels (my fist label = track 1, second label = track 2, etc). I can even export the time stamps based on my labels to a text file so I can make a cue sheet.
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