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Old 06-10-2007, 08:47 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Denver Max View Post
Back on topic, sorta: anyone have a good suggestion for an expresscard32 sound card to throw in a Macbook Pro that I use on a regular basis?
I use a Headroom Overture DAC and Coda amp with my MBP, using its Toslink output. You really want electrical isolation between the computer and the audio components, whether PC or Mac.

Have a look at the Headroom Bithead. Small, battery-powered, far better quality than anything you can expect in an ExpressCard 34. Most musicians use outboard interfaces even when they use a laptop as a portable studio.
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:01 AM   #52 (permalink)
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My favorite part about Windows is how you have to "Start" to shut your computer down. Talk about unintuitive.

I could go on.

Back on topic, sorta: anyone have a good suggestion for an expresscard32 sound card to throw in a Macbook Pro that I use on a regular basis?
Remember, I dont use windows.

And a USB dac is probably always going to be your best bet. For portable use, just plug the headphones into the laptop(or listen out of your mp3 player), and at home use the USB DAC. The bithead is on sale right now, and it is fairly portable too. Im not sure if it is better to use the toslink out or the USB out to hook up to it, did you A/B the two majid?
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Why I prefer a MAC over Windows/PC?
I've had my dual 450Mhz G4 since 2001- I upgraded to OSX back in 2002. Currently it's running 10.3 I have never had to reinstall the operating system (like one of the PC's I use at work) i've never had a virus problem, everything still works on it.

I have a power book (2Ghz intel2) they say it has an optical output in the headphone output- Does anyone know what type of connector it uses? as a normal optical cable won't fit in there
Also how do you turn it on? I've asked a Apple tech but he had no idea what i was talking about.

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Old 06-10-2007, 11:23 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Mini-toslink. It will turn on as soon as you insert something.

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Old 06-10-2007, 11:28 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Just get one of these.
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Old 06-10-2007, 11:39 AM   #56 (permalink)
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What a cdp can be bought for 2000$....
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Old 06-10-2007, 12:50 PM   #57 (permalink)
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I love it when things all come together perfectly

What do you think are in desktop Macs? Same Realtek ALCxxx chips. Dolt
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Right, but the chipset is crap. Even if you get past the hissing and al lthe interference problems in other laptops, you still have a crap chipset. Its a bottleneck.
Something funny happened when I read this post. I booted into Windows Vista. I received a free Home Premium license, would NEVER buy it. Anyway, I had remembered seeing the audio driver installation during the Boot Camp driver installation and the recent update.

You know whats really funny?

MacBooks use SigmaTel chipsets. Not Realtek. I can get in Vista and take a screenshot if you'd like.

Now I can't tell you exactly what chipset it uses. But it's the "Sigmatel High Definition Audio Codec".

A quick Google search returned nothing bad that I can find about that particular chipset other than a few people have Windows driver issues on Dell systems.

I do, however, remember that people here at head-fi absolutely LOVED the audio quality of the first generation iPod shuffle which just happened to use Sigmatel hardware.

So who am I to believe here? My own ears listening to music right now on hardware based on hardware that has a good track record here at this very website? Or someone who jumped at the opportunity to ridicule Apple based on a "fact" that was completely false?

Oh and I had a Chaintech AV-710 in my last desktop PC. Infact, I took it out before I sold it and still have it. I honestly wasn't impressed. Through SPDIF, I get bit perfect playback in OS X without any kind of special configuring, needing to mess with foobar or anything. It just simply works. And headphone out on my Mac sounds better than the AV-710's "high resolution" analog output run through my receiver. Why? No resampling.

BTW, how much command-line work did it take for you to get bit-perfect via SPDIF out in Linux? Oh wait.... Well, what about getting that high resolution output going with the audio properly resampled? Oh yeah..

but its even worse that you know nothing about linux yourself.
Thats funny because I've got several Ubuntu and Kubuntu CDs sitting here. I installed Mandrake when it was Mandrake and configured it. I've installed Ubuntu on several machines out of pure boredom when my fiance was away visiting her family. I know plenty about Linux

I know enough not to use it!

You dont need a command line to add repositories. You go to Preferences-Add Repositories. If you can't figure that out, you can have your OSX.
Thats funny because that never worked right in Ubuntu and Kubuntu. Its also funny how you act all elitist with that statement. "If you can't figure that out you can have your OS X". I will have OS X. And you know what I'll enjoy? A modern operating system that doesn't require me to spend time downloading and compiling packages just to install new graphics drivers, or head to the command-line and enable all kinds of junk and download even more packages that have questionable legality in many countries just to do something as simple as watch a DVD.

I remember one time I installed Ubuntu on a system. The website for "Automatix" was down and EasyUbuntu hadn't yet updated for that release. So EasyUbuntu basically didn't work and Automatix was down. All I wanted to do was have a functioning system. At that point should I spend hours tracking down every little individual command and package that both of those scripts install or should I just go back to something that works? That was probably the first time in the last 10 years that I've been happy to hear the Windows startup sound.

As for fragmentation, linux doesnt fragment.
Yeah, it just stupidly requires a separate partition for swap file thats locked to a certain size. How ridiculous is that? Better hope your RAM and the dedicated swap partition are enough!

As for the user interfaces, please. None of it is a rip off of OSX. Sure you can find OSX style add ons, but the general design of KDE has been around for a decade. And since you seem to be so behind the times, I would like to inform you that we have expose-style window switching in linux. But thats not the best part, we also have alt-tab, with live window previews. Not to mention the win+tab key gives you a carousel view of your windows, similar to flip3d, except usable. So there you go, alt-tab+expose+flip3d, all of which are better implemented than they are on windows/osx. And if you want to say they are "rip offs", i have just one word for you, "konfobulator".
Thats pretty funny how you mention konfobulator, which was nowhere near as good as Dashboard is, after talking about all of those things that Linux window managers stole from Windows and OS X.

Anyway. KDE is basically a direct ripoff of Windows 95/98. I remember in the past someone tried to tell me Microsoft copied KDE with Windows 95

Gnome? A pretty direct ripoff of OS X, but with Windows-style menus for applications.

Sorry, but all of the GUI effects of Beryl and other window managers are poorly implemented and it shows that they're just cheap ripoffs. Just like that little carousel view you mentioned. Totally useless. Or that hilariously bad ripoff of the "Genie Effect" from OS X. I literally laughed out loud when I saw that and how awful it looked. The only good enhancement to any GUI in recent years has been Expose.

Its nice that the developers were able to ripoff the live window previews for alt+tab like in Vista. Did they steal that after seeing the beta last year or before that?

Alt+tab is pretty useless when F9 or hot corners brings all your windows up, with live previews, anyway. Or, in OS X, the dock showing live previews at all times... like OS X has been doing for several years now.

Anyway, to generally get any of that stuff running in Linux you need hardware acceleration. Better hope you don't have to spend too much time in the command-line getting it going, editing config files, or your system has an ATI card/chipset, compiling very specific drivers. Better yet, if you have a laptop, better hope you don't have a Broadcom chipset or else you're really in trouble!

Watch yourself there kid.
Kid? Somebody from "Team College-Fi" is calling somebody who is beyond "college age" a kid? The anti-Apple crowd never ceases to amaze me.

Besides, you get what you pay for with freeware. Some of it is pretty good, a lot of it is not. I'd rather PAY for good software that does what it is supposed to than download freeware that requires me to spend far too much time configuring it, "learning" it, and messing around with it before it finally works. My time is too valuable to be spent trying to get a piece of freeware to work when paid software will do it right the first time. Not to mention some freeware is so ugly that it makes it unusable. Gimp comes to mind here.
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MacBooks use SigmaTel chipsets. Not Realtek. I can get in Vista and take a screenshot if you'd like.

Now I can't tell you exactly what chipset it uses. But it's the "Sigmatel High Definition Audio Codec".
I can: STAC9220/9221/9223. Here is the datasheet. Pay close attention to SNR, THD, and crosstalk:

http://www.idt.com/products/files/11...TOKEN=86007366

I imagine now that you're going to say that those thoroughly mediocre metrics nevertheless combine into euphonic bliss because of the Apple logo on the top. Given that you have Vista installed, I am sure that you will be forthcoming with those RMAA results that I asked for, because they will objectively prove you right. lulz.
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MOSA500 try Slackware if you want to learn linux rather than use linux, and remember that linux doesn't receive good drivers from companies like Nvidia or ATI. Try installing an ATI video card and then an Intel video card (Intel don't hide hw specs).
Imagine apple computers without proper drivers.
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Old 06-10-2007, 02:37 PM   #60 (permalink)
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I LOVE MY HEADPHONES! I LIKE BUILDING AMPS!


that aside... I switched about 8 months ago.. also, got fed up with all the probs.. yeah, true, I'm not saying I'm immune to them now.. any hardware can fail.. but os x truly is great,.. i haven't got an anti-virus... I like dragging apps to install them, boing. (ooh look at all those directories that file creates when installing.. and all those registry strings... not.).
switching has been the best thing computers have done for me. I've been the family and friends pc guy for ages since I was like 12. I've used linux for years, starting back at some older versions of slackware.. and all I can say, its a pleasure to use something that works well. yeah, it can be annoying at first when you try look for things you're used to.. all those programs you had and knew.. then you start to find ones that do similar things, then you start to find ones to do more. I think the freeware on macs is generally better, its generally not crap, its great. I can already basically do 95% of what I could on xp, and about a different independent 30% more(and still finding out new stuff all the time). the other 5% I can run on parallels rather contently or bootcamp if I needed the resources, which I havent. matlab is on mac too.
aaaanyway. moving to mac is like realizing that there are better headphones than the 3$ ones that come with your standard DAP. I enjoy the headphone out enough to actually listen, thats all I can say. I'm building an Alien dac anyway cause, well, I want to build and it probably will sound better. I still like headphones and MOSA, I really agree with you on basically everything you've said. I've at least seen both sides properly, and my opinion counts. anyone here can choose to use what they want to, all I can say is that my parents next machine will be a mac. when my grandparents machine gets a virus or something, or something stops working, I'll donate their pc to a school and get them a mac. I don't want to deal with probs anymore.. nor do I want them to
back to topic... again, I say, I find the headphone output on my c2d mbp good enough for me to enjoy it. thats all. thank you.
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