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Old 08-28-2007, 08:08 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by b0dhi View Post
Hancoque, regarding the comment you quoted, in theory it's correct. In practice, we don't have infinite bit-depth, and we don't have ideal reconstruction algorithms (or at least we don't have infinite processing power). Here's a quote from Ryohei Kusunoki, someone with considerably more authority than someone posting a comment on the internet: -



From http://www.tnt-audio.com/intervis/kusunoki_e.html.

Also, regardless of what anyone says, I know I can hear a difference between an unfiltered square wave and one filtered at 22050Hz, even though - theoretically - I shouldn't.
Good thing we all love to listen to square waves!

It's the new patrick82, instead of ERS paper and valhalla, its Square waves and linear resamplers.

Do you also realize that the person and article you quoted does NOT support oversampling?

So why the hell would you think it would be a good idea to use that to try to support your argument on oversampling?
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:39 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Do you also realize that the person and article you quoted does NOT support oversampling?

So why the hell would you think it would be a good idea to use that to try to support your argument on oversampling?
I didn't realise I was arguing for oversampling. Thanks for pointing that out. What would I do without you telling me what I've been saying.

Not that you'll understand any of this, but from the interview:

The non-oversampling DACs have distinctive tonal quality, but I couldn't figure out the reasons in the early stages. I found the answer after listening to a DAC using eight DAC ICs to bring about 8-times oversampling without digital filter. The DAC's sound clearly indicated that oversampling was not the culprit of sound degrading, but the real offender was the digital filter.
And guess what the filters do? Ruin the square wave response (among other things).
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I didn't realise I was arguing for oversampling. Thanks for pointing that out. What would I do without you telling me what I've been saying.

Not that you'll understand any of this, but from the interview:



And guess what the filters do? Ruin the square wave response (among other things).
Are you slow? Seriously, why do you care about square waves? MUSIC IS NOT SQUARE WAVES!

And yes, this WHOLE thread you were making arguments for why YOU wanted a linear UP-SAMPLER. Because YOU said it would bring back harmonics above 22khz.

You have the reasoning of a child.

So go use your linear resampler since you think it will give you better square waves.
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LawnGnome, music is square waves for what I listen to Lots and lots of them. Secondly, this thread was supposed to be me asking if anyknow knows a linear oversampler. I didn't intend on arguing about anything until people started questioning the request itself. Further, my argument isn't necessarily for oversampling, it's for good square wave response. It's just that the only way to achieve it when you already have certain DAC hardware is to oversample.

Ideally, the music would already be in 192/24 so oversampling should not be necessary.
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