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Old 06-20-2007, 07:05 PM   #71 (permalink)
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To the OP,

The Chaintech sound card can put out a bit perfect signal to an External DAC. It's 25 bucks.

But just because it is bit perfect, doesn't mean it's the equal of, say, a SlimDevices Transporter. Being bit perfect is only part of the equation. It might seem funny that anything outside of a 0 and 1 signal is going to affect sound, but it does. Stuff like jitter is affected by components that are improved in a beefier source than that soundcard.

However, compare a Chaintech to a comparably priced non-bit perfect Sound Blaster card, and you'll see that it's better to be bit perfect than not.

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Part two is that you wondered why we're spending all this cash on equipment that is so much crazier, pricier, and technologically advanced over the equipment used to actually record the original performance.

The answer to that is easy. Steve Hoffman had a lecture at the National Meet this year, and played many classic recordings that were really bare bones going from a mic to mixing board to master tape. I mean, really BASIC. But years and years later, so much junk has happened to that recording between that performance and my ears, that I'm not really getting the true sense of that performance - unless I take measures to cut through the crap of decades to get to it. Such as getting a guy like Hoffman to search in a freezer for the original master tapes. and being a wizard at remastering it. and ripping a sweet copy on vinyl (or in this case, redbook). And hearing it on Todd the Vinyl Junkie's sweet rig. In the sweet spot of the room. And AH wow that's as close as I'm going to get to being in the engineer's chair back in the early 60's grooving to Ray Charles!

But what I have to work with is going home, buying some Hoffman vinyl, popping into the Tower of Power, and listening with my cans. None of the stuff at my house is identical to the original playback gear, but it's the closest approximation that makes me happy in my budget.
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:46 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Jahn View Post
None of the stuff at my house is identical to the original playback gear, but it's the closest approximation that makes me happy in my budget.
And oh what a budget!
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This is an amazing thread as it kept me entertained for about on hour as i tried to understand him. I don't shot the guy down for trying to make the post but he should not at the very least insulted every one who tried to tell him that we simply don't understand his first post . At least now through extensive translation we understand and I completely agree. Making good audio can only go so far in science before you must put a touch of art to make it sound truly amazing.

And as a side note i think some fellow head-fi member (i'm not mentioning any names) should exercise better behavior in threads. Come on guys/gals lets play nice
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:48 AM   #74 (permalink)
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If you read this thread in Yoda's voice it makes much more sense.
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I think what the OP was trying to express is that he's a douche. Can I say that here? Sorry if not. :-) Just the impression I got from his 2nd post.
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Old 07-29-2007, 09:12 PM   #78 (permalink)
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I think that the OP is in the camp of, "Perfection is unattainable, so no one should even bother discussing anything because opinions are meaningless."

If there can't be any gradations between good and bad, then there's really no point in trying to achieve anything in the world, so I'd say I'm firmly on the opposite side of the map.
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the OP is telling us that it is useless to stop global warming because it is an evolutionary turnabout in the earth's atmosphere to heat up in this turn of the millenium
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