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Old 05-24-2007, 06:43 PM   #561 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by slwiser View Post
Check out DVDs by AIX records at www.aixrecords.com that provide DVD-A at 96/24 out of digital outputs into my Lavry DA10. Hi-Rez is their business.
very interesting. what are you using as transport?
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Old 05-24-2007, 06:52 PM   #562 (permalink)
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very interesting. what are you using as transport?
I have a Oppo DV-981HD for my transport feeding my Lavry DA10. Using the AIX disks that I have the Lavry locks in at 96khz as it should.
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Old 05-24-2007, 06:55 PM   #563 (permalink)
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Different sample rates may sound different due to different resampling or conversation performance at this given sample rate. However the common association of higher sample rates giving a more analog result after the reconstruction stage is actually wrong. A higher sample rate per se doesn't provide anything "more analog" but a higher niquist frequency thus a higher analog bandwidth. If one above 20 kHz is hearable or not is questionable. The error introduced by the sampling process lies in the limited bandwidth (which has to be limited to comply with the theorem) and the needed filtering but NOT it the actual missing information between the samples which are going to be reconstructed anyway.

I just wanted to note that higher sample rates probably have practical benefits when it comes to the actual conversation, but that the actual information is already contained in 44,1 kHz for example (or even 40 kHz). At least from the ear's point of 'view'.
Here has been my experience: When I play 44.1 through my Spoiler DAC, which does oversampling to a very high frequency, it still sounds more raspy than the same track upsampled using SRC to 24/96 through the same oversampler and analog filter. The 4-pole filter starts rolling off around 20kHz. I've measured it.

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You basically arguing that there may be genuine 24/192 PCM material out there and down sampling to 110kHz will reduce quality. That's fine. Let me note that the real advantage of multi-channel hi-res audio lies in the fact that it's "multi-channel", not so much that it's "hi-res" . IMHO.

On the side note, I did not know it's possible to rip SACDs. This of course is off topic here but would you please point me places where i can learn more about how that's done?
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I have a Oppo DV-981HD for my transport feeding my Lavry DA10. Using the AIX disks that I have the Lavry locks in at 96khz as it should.

This probably has to do with the way AIX masters the disks.Good for them!

I assume your player outputs other DVD-A disks only at 48kHz , correct?
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Originally Posted by zheka View Post
This probably has to do with the way AIX masters the disks.Good for them!

I assume your player outputs other DVD-A disks only at 48kHz , correct?
You are correct for protected DVD-As but again the AIX is open at 96kHz.
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You basically arguing that there may be genuine 24/192 PCM material out there and down sampling to 110kHz will reduce quality. That's fine. Let me note that the real advantage of multi-channel hi-res audio lies in the fact that it's "multi-channel", not so much that it's "hi-res" . IMHO.
Many audiophiles would disagree

That said, perfect reproduction would probably involve recreating the soundwaves that were present (i.e. 3D!) when the band was there, and this might be easier with more speakers. Right now though, multichannel is for fake effects. 'Boom!' from side speakers does not accurate sound make.
On the side note, I did not know it's possible to rip SACDs. This of course is off topic here but would you please point me places where i can learn more about how that's done?
No, there are no SACD players for the PC. You could resample the analog output. Efforts are underway to crack the HDMI output of say a PS3.
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You are correct for protected DVD-As but again the AIX is open at 96kHz.
i like what AIX is doing, thank you for the link. I will probably get their sampler DVD. It looks like it can also be played on conventional dvd players as well as on computer DVD-ROMs

i wish i had a good 5.1 set up to for the playback.. well, maybe one day
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You basically arguing that there may be genuine 24/192 PCM material out there and down sampling to 110kHz will reduce quality. That's fine. Let me note that the real advantage of multi-channel hi-res audio lies in the fact that it's "multi-channel", not so much that it's "hi-res" . IMHO.
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I may be all wrong here but I think that Hi-Rez 5.1 is all sampled at the highest rate of 48 kHz (it may have 24 bits though), simply due to the amount of information that would be on the disk at 5.1 at 96 kHz/24. Stereo (two channels) can be supplied at 96/24 though. I have several DVD-As and they all show themselves being sampled at 48 kHz at 5.1. The best is the true stereo in Hi-Rez at 96/24.
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I may be all wrong here but I think that Hi-Rez 5.1 is all sampled at the highest rate of 48 kHz (it may have 24 bits though), simply due to the amount of information that would be on the disk at 5.1 at 96 kHz/24. Stereo (two channels) can be supplied at 96/24 though. I have several DVD-As and they all show themselves being sampled at 48 kHz at 5.1. The best is the true stereo in Hi-Rez at 96/24.
AIX claim 5.1 at 24/96

as far as size limitations i think if MLP is used dual layer DVD (9G) can hold more that 2 hours of 6 channel 24/96 data
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