What are the best headphones for mixing Electronic Music?

[shigzeo]

i wish i could update my opinion on the 2500 but i have not heard them in a long time.

by mid oriented i mean the sweet sort of sound that is a bit more hyped on just about every headphone than the dt770. they don't overblow anything. someone up there said the same thing. they are not the most controlled phones but they are not made for hifi, they seem to be made for monitoring whereas the 750 being so pleasant i would take as a listening phone but not as monitor.

both are favourites of mine. my dj1pro i would probably consider to be more accurate than the 750 though they do tweak up the treble a bit and the mids are sweetened up tidily.

my studio friends tend to prefer the dt770 if they are using phones for certain mixes.

the one i use is the older 80ohm pro model

[Philco]

The DT770 that you tried are the drummer-oriented version of the DT770. They are reputedly "bad" sounding compared to the regular DT770-250 or DT770-80. They were purposely made bassier and with less highs in order for drummers to perform better. They are NOT meant for anyting else than that.

That might explain your opinion.

Originally Posted by Peter Pinna

I will have to get back to you on the exact model number. I can tell you it had a volume control on the cable. Does that help or do they all have that?

[Peter Pinna]

Originally Posted by Philco

Even the most accurate headphone on the planet will not be able to convey phase relationships from the left to the right channel without crossfeed.

Having that said, with or without crossefeed, it is TRUE that one should seek for the most accurate headphones available.

In my case I find headphones such as the DT770 more accurate than other popular headphones such as the Sennheiser HD600 because they present the sound as is, without much coloration. If the recording is not bassy, then it will not sound bassy on the DT770. If it is overly bassy, then it will be on the DT770. With headphones such as the K701, I fear one cannot know if something is overly bassy or not, hence I find this type of bass lean headphone less useful for my purposes.

What's your opinion of the Ultrasone Proline 2500 ? I'd rather get an open model than a closed model.

I want you to know as I start writing this post that I am not, generally, an argumentative person. There is something odd going on here regarding our opinions of the DT 770.
I learned only very recently that there is more than one model of the DT 770. I have only heard one model of the DT 770. Someone else just asked me which model that was and I'm not sure but I will try to find out. It had a volume slider control on the cable, if that helps to identify it (all the DT 770 models may have that, I don't know).
The one model I heard was somewhat more "bassy" sounding as compared to the Pro 750 and certainly compared to the AKG K701 (obvious, I know). It (the DT 770) also sounded slightly "muffled" compared to the other headphones. I can only guess that the other models somehow sound vastly different than the model I heard. I don't know. I remember that I thought it was a pleasant sounding headphone that presented a nice relaxing sound. It did not seem accurate to me, in the sense of a comparison of it's sound to that of a studio monitor. Whereas the Pro 750's sound seems much more accurate in this regard. When I have the opportunity, I will try to investigate these other models because it is hard for me to accept the idea that our opinions are so different about this headphone.
I like the Pro 2500 very much. I prefer the sound of the Pro 750 but the Pro 2500, to my ears, is a very close second. Have you seen MaloS review and description of the sound of the Pro 2500? It is excellent and very much mirrors my opinion. Here's the link to that review:

Review: Ultrasone Edition 9 and Proline 2500

[Peter Pinna]

Originally Posted by Philco

The DT770 that you tried are the drummer-oriented version of the DT770. They are reputedly "bad" sounding compared to the regular DT770-250 or DT770-80. They were purposely made bassier and with less highs in order for drummers to perform better. They are NOT meant for anyting else than that.

That might explain your opinion.

So, apparently, this "drummer-oriented version" is the only one with a volume control on the cable? Interesting. That does explain things. I thought it sounded OK, I didn't think it sounded "reputedly bad". The slightly muffled, somewhat "bassy" sound was kind of relaxing, actually.

By "drummer-oriented", does that mean that the drummer has to be asian to use these headphones?

Sorry, it was a pun that I couldn't resist.

Thanks for helping me straighten this out.

[shigzeo]

i wish i got the joke...

[demoNMaCHiN3]

Originally Posted by Peter Pinna

By "drummer-oriented", does that mean that the drummer has to be asian to use these headphones?

Sorry, it was a pun that I couldn't resist.

Thanks for helping me straighten this out.

[death69]

Wow! This thread has taken a lot of life. Thanks for all the feedback.

I think I have narrowed it down to 2 headphones. Everyone seems to like either one of these one way or another.

The Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro-80 and the Ultrasone PRO-750.

I think I am leaning more towards the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro-80 because of the price. I can get the DT770 for $150 and the Ultrasone 750 for $300.

Is this the right Beyer model everyone is talking about being the best one? The Pro-80?

Also what is this crossfeed everyone is talking about and what do I need for it?

Does everyone agree that these 2 headphones are the top 2 in the running or should I bring another one in the mix.

I am also getting a amp so it won't matter if it needs that because it will be taken care of.

Thanks again for all the feedback. It has helped a lot. I think I am almost there.

[Peter Pinna]

Originally Posted by death69

Wow! This thread has taken a lot of life. Thanks for all the feedback.

I think I have narrowed it down to 2 headphones. Everyone seems to like either one of these one way or another.

The Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro-80 and the Ultrasone PRO-750.

I think I am leaning more towards the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro-80 because of the price. I can get the DT770 for $150 and the Ultrasone 750 for $300.

Is this the right Beyer model everyone is talking about being the best one? The Pro-80?

Also what is this crossfeed everyone is talking about and what do I need for it?

Does everyone agree that these 2 headphones are the top 2 in the running or should I bring another one in the mix.

I am also getting a amp so it won't matter if it needs that because it will be taken care of.

Thanks again for all the feedback. It has helped a lot. I think I am almost there.

I found out recently that there is more than one model of the DT 770. I found out last night that the one and only model of the DT 770 which I heard is one that is made for drummers and, according to what I was told, generally thought of as not being as good, fidelity wise, as the rest of the DT 770 models. Consequently, I can't give you any feedback regarding the DT 770 because apparently, I have not heard the right one(s).
What I would strongly suggest you do is find a place that demos these headphones. I don't know where you live but if you are in the United States, one place that demos headphones is Guitar Center which has stores all across the United States. You might try looking for one in your area and see if they have a demo station.
I am planning to do the same in an attempt to hear more models of the DT 770. And, more or less, I have the same question you had, which model of the DT770 would be the best one to hear?

[Peter Pinna]

Originally Posted by shigzeo

i wish i got the joke...

"drummer-oriented" = a drummer from the orient.
Asians are from the "orient" so,
"An Asian drummer" = a drummer from the orient or,
a "drummer-oriented".

As I said, it's a bad pun but I couldn't resist the temptation to share it with everyone.

[megawzrd]

AKG 240 sextett MP.

I find them enjoyable for listening and at the same time they can be great for mixing. The 240M can be a tad sterile sometimes...that is why I still hang on to my sextett.

BTW...if you said that your 240s you had sounded too quiet you probably were not amping them properly...though that sounds rather stange, most mixers (analog hardware) I have ever used 240's with are more than adequate. Software mixing is something else entirely.