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Old 11-07-2006, 08:40 PM   #31 (permalink)
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First questions to answer, yes the earpads on the pro 750 and the pro 2500 are different. The inside of the pads on the 2500 has a series of small dimples on it that contributes to the overall sound. Plus the shape of the earpads is slightly different with the PRO 750 earpads being somewhat thicker which helps them get a better seal since they're closed.

As far as auditioning headphones, especially in a noisy enviornemnt. Thats really difficult and next to impossible. Especially open ones. But, the Ultrasones do need a good long audition time, especially the higer end ones. There are some subtleties to the headphones that just can't be experienced quickly. Mostly this is cuased by the natural listening experience created by S-Logic. Becuase this is very different from conventional headphones, the effect can be somewhat disconcerting at first. Hence the impression that it sounded really muddy. It really does take some time to get used to the sound, and then once you do its hard to go back to regular headphones (at least for me). I know from experience that people's first impression with the Ultrasone line are usually about 50/50. For this same reason, its also hard to go back and forth between a conventional headphone and an Ultrasone headphone. It would be like comparing how a car and a motorcycle handle. They both get you where your going, but use different methods to accomplish that. So its difficult to compare the two. Anyways, I digress, use you ears. That's what I always tell people.
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Old 11-08-2006, 08:58 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Thanks for your insights, themick!

Originally Posted by Dexdexter
I managed to spend a couple of hours in the company of both the PROline 2500 and HFI 2200 ULE yesterday.
So I went to FNAC, sort of Belgian/French hybrid of Virgin Megastore and Barnes And Noble (with perhaps just a dash of Circuit City) armed with the following CDs:

Johnny Cash - American IV: The Man Comes Around
Jane Birkin - Arabesque
Emmylou Harris - Stumble Into Grace
Saint Etienne - Tales From Turnpike House
Serge Gainsbourg - Comic Strip
Teenage Fanclub - Man Made

Currently, FNAC carries only 3 models from Ultrasone: PROline 750, PROline 2500, and HFI 2200 ULE. They have a freestanding headphone display "tree" populated largely by upper-range Sennheiser cans (all the usual suspects). At the bottom two rungs around the rear of the stand were two Ultrasones: the PROline 2500 and the HFI 2200 ULE. Unfortunately, the PROline 750 was not available on open display.

Now, I'm guessing that this headphone stand is generally for use in demonstration only with the assistance and supervision of a member of the FNAC sales staff, as all the headphone lead wires terminate and disappear into the base of the display, presumably connecting to their demo rig while serving additionally (if rather, naively) to discourage theft.

But out of the dozen or so headphones on this display, only the Senn HD650s had any music flowing out of them. So I initially thought I'd have to beckon a member of the FNAC staff to flip whatever switches necessary to get me into the Ultrasones and effectively hold my hand whilst I demo a few tunes, obviously a logistical nightmare.

My concern, however, was short-lived, when what to my wondering eyes should appear...hello!...upon closer examination, the leads to the two Ultrasones were not hard-hooked into the stand at all, but rather, dangling innocently alongside the abutting end-cap!

As there were no sales people around (this is Europe, after all; nobody is on commission, so nobody gives a sh*t), I casually retrieved one of the Ultrasone leads and gently inserted it into the headphone-out of a neighboring Marantz CD5001 OSE.



I was in!

Much more to follow in my next dispatch this evening.

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Old 11-08-2006, 12:20 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Great story Dexter!

Written like a cliffhanger too, keeps us coming back for more.

Did Dex get busted by the staff? Did he find the sound he was looking for? Was the Marantz up the task at hand?

You have this reader at least eagerly awaiting your next dispatch from front lines!
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Old 11-08-2006, 08:11 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Glad you're enjoying my little yarn, Ralph!

Our next installment will follow shortly.

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Old 11-09-2006, 02:16 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Now then, where was I?

Ah, yes, I had infiltrated the audio section of FNAC, my local big-boxer, and had seized upon the opportunity to spend some quality time with two higher-end Ultrasone models, the PROline 2500s and the HFI 2200 ULEs. Sadly, the PROline 750s would have to remain ensconced in their factory-sealed enclosure.

But one question lingered: would I be able to execute my mission while remaining relatively unmolested by the presumably cans-unenlightened sales staff?

After all, here I was, in a mega-volume music store dipping into my rucksack and extracting six CDs (all of which they most certainly sell), plugging-in leads that are obviously supposed to be lock-wire tethered into their fancy-pants headphone stand and firing-up a CD player that normally resides on static display. And there's just gotta be security cams mounted everywhere in this place.

Still, I was determined to press onward and go about my business and I steeled myself to accept whatever consequences might ensue. Now, exactly what is French for I must see my lawyer? Ah yes, Je dois voir mon avocat!

I had just about two hours until the store would close, so I determined that, if at all possible, I would spend about a half-hour with each pair, acclimating myself to their respective presentations before attempting any direct track-by-track comparisons.

I began with the HFI 2200 ULEs simply because they are so very fetching in all their milk-chocolate brown, gild-padded, That 70's Show-glory. Although I remained standing and ever on the lookout for disapproving glances, I tried to imagine myself reclining in a basement rec-room Barcalounger, mesmerized by my new lava-lamp as the tunes began to pour forth.

The fit of the 2200s was comfy enough, to be sure, and I was surprised by how light they felt upon my head despite the solidity of their build.

Initially, I found myself quite taken aback by the sheer weight and fullness of the sounds I was hearing. It was rather disorienting at first and it reminded me of early sessions with my Heed Audio Enigma omnidirectional loudspeakers. As with them, here the soundstage was broader than I had anticipated and the presentation more diffuse, certainly far more so than my PX-100s.

But after a good fifteen minutes, I found myself able to cease questioning and (over)analyzing and I began to hear music and just submit to the flow. So make no mistake, Disco Citizens, there is an absolute learning-curve gauntlet to run before properly experiencing these cans!

Once I allowed the possibility of acceptance, the 2200s no longer seemed strange, but rather silken, organic, and just about as groovelicious as they look. Clearly, my experiences with my omnis stood me in good stead. And I had just enough time left to play one track each on my remaining five CDs before swapping over to the 2500s.

Strapping-on the 2500s was somehow rather different. While I've read here that the headbands in the Ultrasone range are all exactly the same, this pair was decidedly less forgiving with my own handsome head. So they seemed slightly heavier and I was more greatly aware of the presence of the pads.

Over the next half-hour, I played an entirely different set of tracks than I had for the 2200s in order to avoid any direct comparison and allow me to concentrate on the 2500s for what they were.

Having conquered the offset driver presentation hurdle during my time with the 2200s, I was freer to experience the 2500s unencumbered by doubt or unfounded expectation. Initially, they seemed somewhat dry, yet they were absolutely controlled in a way I hadn't noticed during my time with the brown-bombshells. In fact, they appeared to have as much of a vice-grip on the music as they had on my noggin!

So if I were to summarize this round using the one-word review paradigm found in another popular thread hereabouts, it would be as follows:

HFI 2200 ULE - lush

PROline 2500 - authoritative

Part the Next: Ultrasones Head to Head or Careful With That Axe, Pierre!

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Originally Posted by Dexdexter
I began with the HiFi 2200 ULEs...after a good fifteen minutes, I found myself able to cease questioning and (over)analyzing and I began to hear music and just submit to the flow.
Interesting how you were able to acclimate yourself to these so completely within 15 short minutes, when both Sovkiller and the Ultrasone rep have denounced negative impressions after much longer listening sessions (with better associated sources and amps, btw), insisting it takes days or even weeks to deprogram your brain from the standard headphone experience. You must be exceptional.

This is starting to read more and more like a shill thread.
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Originally Posted by jpelg
This is starting to read more and more like a shill thread.
Of course, there is always the possibility that not everyone has the same opinion on the Ultrasone sound that you do.
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Interesting how you were able to acclimate yourself to these so completely within 15 short minutes, when both Sovkiller and the Ultrasone rep have denounced negative impressions after much longer listening sessions (with better associated sources and amps, btw), insisting it takes days or even weeks to deprogram your brain from the standard headphone experience. You must be exceptional.
Interesting how you have failed to understand my years of experience with non-traditional loudspeaker presentation or bothered to notice that my home CD player is essentially a tube-output modified Marantz (but not insofar as the phone-out circuitry, with basically the exact same topology as the one in the shop) of which I am also intimately acquainted.

Obviously, I haven't owned many cans, and I do not yet even have a dedicated headphone amplifier, so yes, I suppose 'round these parts that, indeed, I am exceptional.

And your final accusation is simply so deliciously paranoid that I need not comment further upon it.

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Nice read. Please don't let other people's opinions bother you, this is your story.
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Originally Posted by jpelg

This is starting to read more and more like a shill thread.
I liked the HFI2200 very quickly as well. Am I a shill too? Do you have an eyeroll for me?

I think that part of the reason I liked them so much was because my ears has gotten used to the HD595. I haven't heard the crazy expensive headphones you guys talk about, and I'm pretty sure that I'm simply not a Sennheiser guy.

Your accusation is irresponsible and uncalled for.
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