There's Something About Ultrasone…

[ralphp@optonline]

I think that is just because they believe that you will compensate the lack of bass with a good sub-woofer later on, and having the rest OK, up to certain point will make a difference, otherwise that makes no sense to me neither, a speaker with a limited spectrum, is just that, a limited speaker and period...

That may be true but with a speaker lacking midrange one could buy a midrange driver later or buy a tweeter later. No, it is as you stated, a speaker with a limited frequency spectrum is just that: limited and does not deserve a class A rating, period. Why do people fear proper bass response so much?

You may be right about the ear pad being at least a little bit different. I just checked the Ultrasone site and the replacement ear pads for the 750 and the 2500 are listed seperately and priced differently, so there must be at least some differences between them but they do look pretty much the same to the naked eye.

It would appear that if people are going to continue to base their judgements on either things they read on forum posts or on 60 second auditions then Ultrasones will not get a fair shake. However, if and when they decide to really sit down and listen properly to the Ultrasones, their sound will win them over.

[Sovkiller]

I have a pair of Edition 9's ordered, and as soon as I received them, hopefully by December, according to them, I will try to arrange someone in head-fi, that people trust enough, to review the PROLines I have here. This way people will feel more confident, but till now all you will see, will be those opinions based in 60 seconds auditions, as they have no other way of listen them...and definitelly you need time to get used to them, and "adjust your internal clock" to them...
What is funny is that once you get them, and not sure if that happen to you, later on and even if you spend a lot of time with other heapdhones, once you listen them again, you do not feel the same impact as the first time, and accept them really quick again...

[jpelg]

Originally Posted by ralphp@optonline

with a speaker lacking midrange one could buy a midrange driver later or buy a tweeter later.

When was the last time you bought a pair of speakers and replaced the midrange driver to tweak the sound?

Originally Posted by sovkiller

but till now all you will see, will be those opinions based in 60 seconds auditions, as they have no other way of listen them...

Interesting. And how much time have you had the Sony R10's, that you feel are the end-all-be-all headphone, in your house? Or was it just a brief listening session at one or maybe two meets at most? Is that long enough to make your claim?

I don't get it, Al. You complain that no one listens to Ultrasone headphones or Rudi's amps at meets, and then when someone does, you completely invalidate the opinion. You can't have it both ways.

[jpelg]

Originally Posted by Sovkiller

I have a pair of Edition 9's ordered.

You actually bought a pair?

[Sovkiller]

Originally Posted by jpelg

When was the last time you bought a pair of speakers and replaced the midrange driver to tweak the sound? Interesting. And how much time have you had the Sony R10's, that you feel are the end-all-be-all headphone, in your house? Or was it just a brief listening session at one or maybe two meets at most? Is that long enough to make your claim?

I don't get it, Al. You complain that no one listens to Ultrasone headphones or Rudi's amps at meets, and then when someone does, you completely invalidate the opinion. You can't have it both ways.

Well to make the answer short, and avoid any further arguments, I don't care if anybody listens the Ultrasones in meetings or not (indeed they have been in two or three meetings only) and if you or someone do not want to listen them, that is up to you/them, I did, liked them, and it is true that at the beginning it sounded a little weird to me, given the new presentation but the bass extension and quality in that dpt, got my heart, right now I'm one of the happy owners of them....About the Rudi amps the same, if someone ignore them, that is up to them, who is missing a wonderful sounding amp??? Not me....And OTOH I will try to do my best to send while possible amps to future meetings, but unfortunately I can't make people listen them ...

Now the second part, the Ultrasones given that they have a peculiar design, and the completely new S-logic technology, you need a lot of time, you physically must have time with them to get used to that new presentation, it is not a headphone that you put in your head and bingo, will do it for you.....That happen to me, to Wayne, Aaron, and to all the ones who had listen them, and own them, and like them or not ... The Ultrasones is not the same case as the R-10, or the HD650, K701, PS-1 CD3K, etc....those are regular headphones with the usual presentation we are used to, we do not require that much time to adjust our brain for them, as they do not have the S-logic technology...

BTW the R-10 are the end-all-be-all headphones among the ones I have heard (and I know that you will not like this part, and do not agree on that, but I don't care... ...) but coming from the CD3000 which IMO sounds closer to it than any other I have heard, I know what to look for, and what I'm missing from, nothing more, nothing less...The R-10 has a magical sound that catch you from the first listen...BTW I can bet with you, that I have heard the R-10 far more time, than the time you have spend trying to understand the Ultrasone technology, and sound ....

And yes, I have a pair of Edition 9 coming my way....

And I will end this discussion here, and I encourage you to do the same, we are derailing this thread into a pissing match with no reason, and I do not like to be part of it anymore...This thread was opened asking, and in order to receive inputs about the Ultrasones headphones, technology, differences etc...and noting else...

Believe what you want, like, and be happy, enjoying what you feel is the Holy Grail for you, man......peace !!!

[jpelg]

I don't think this is derailing the OP's thread at all. He asked opinions about Ultrasone models. I posted my most recent impressions, of which I qualified them with details, and with what I consider a fair & unbiased test bed.

You, on the other hand, need to piss on any negative Ultrasone impression posted on this board, citing special needs, and unfavorable conditions at every turn.

I simply point out your inconsistencies that don't make sense (imo). This is important because from that, other readers can decide which opinion more closely resembles their own and to which they can more closely align, since they aren't hearing the headphones themselves. Otherwise, why post on this or any other board at all if you are just going to tell people that other opinions are worthless?

I wouldn't have posted more than what I had already written in the NY meet thread, but the OP asked specifically here.

[Sovkiller]

Originally Posted by jpelg

I don't think this is derailing the OP's thread at all. He asked opinions about Ultrasone models. I posted my most recent impressions, of which I qualified them with details, and with what I consider a fair & unbiased test bed.

You, on the other hand, need to piss on any negative Ultrasone impression posted on this board, citing special needs, and unfavorable conditions at every turn.

I simply point out your inconsistencies that don't make sense (imo). This is important because from that, other readers can decide which opinion more closely resembles their own and to which they can more closely align, since they aren't hearing the headphones themselves. Otherwise, why post on this or any other board at all if you are just going to tell people that other opinions are worthless?

I wouldn't have posted more than what I had already written in the NY meet thread, but the OP asked specifically here.

I do not piss on any negative impression of the Ultrasone headphones on this board, and I have been extremely consistent on this, I piss on any negative impression of the Ultrasones based in a 50 second auditions, like yours, as they do need special needs, and favorable conditions, unlike any other headphone on the market till now, as they are indeed different....is that so hard to understand? Well it seems that for you it is, so I will render my case here....And I apologize with the original poster for all this hassle!!!!

[jpelg]

Originally Posted by Sovkiller

I piss on any negative impression based in a 50 second auditions, like yours.

You have no idea how much time I spent intently listening to all three headphones (Senns, Beyers, & Ultrasones) at that table on Saturday. I assure you it was a decent amount of time (nearly an hour with multiple CD's). It was the most concentrated listening I did that day. And I am a fairly experienced listener.

So please don't discount my opinion or make claims in public based on something you don't know. But 50 seconds would be enough to know what the 2500's sound like - bad.

[Sovkiller]

Originally Posted by jpelg

You have no idea how much time I spent intently listening to all three headphones (Senns, Beyers, & Ultrasones) at that table on Saturday. I assure you it was a decent amount of time (nearly an hour with multiple CD's). It was the most concentrated listening I did that day.

So please don't discount my opinion or make claims in public based on something you don't know. But 50 seconds would be enough to know what the 2500's sound like - bad.

I'm not discounting your opinion, nor any other, our opinion is as valid as valid is the experience we have with them, and sorry to disgree one more time with you, but in an hour, or in three hours, or in a whole day, you are not even half way of being introduced to understand what an Ultrasone heapdhone will be able to show you. Simply your brain will refuse to take it, our brain needs time (or at least mine needed it) to break what we were doing for years and years in a completely different way....we are used to a completelly different presentation for years, don't pretent to errase that, and forget that in just an hour, please!!! Just as an example would you be able to drive in Europe, seated in the right seat in just two hours???

And as I stated in my very first post, I encourage every single person to take any opinion, yours or mine, as a grain of salt, and listen for themselves. We all listen slightly differently, and we all have different preferences as well, in other words, it is very likely that after spending six months with them, you will not like them neither, nothing wrong on that...And that doesn't make our opinions wrong or right, just ours...

Now I'm going to bed, end of the discussion, I'm tired of it, honestly, and also the PROLine 2500 is waiting for me for maybe another good two hours of listening to Joe Satriani Live...!!!

[Dexdexter]

First off, Ralph, thank you for your considered replies.

Originally Posted by Sovkiller

...but till now all you will see, will be those opinions based in 60 seconds auditions, as they have no other way of listen them...

Not entirely, SK. I managed to spend a couple of hours in the company of both the PROline 2500 and HFI 2200 ULE yesterday.

Unfortunately, I must dash, but I will post my initial impressions when I return this evening.

Best, Dex