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Old 12-24-2008, 05:12 AM
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Hello.

These are my impressions regarding the Sennheiser HD280pro closed headphones. They belong to my dad and we have had them for about 3 years now. A quick check at bhphoto.com shows they sell for 80$us.

My impressions are based off listening I have done using a Mhdt labs Paradisea+ NOS dac with WE396A and WooAudio WA6 headphone amp with 274B.

Sound quality
For a closed headphone these are rather neutral. The bass is there with a little weight, though quite rolled off from the mids. The mids aren’t particularly special, for better or for worse. The good news is that there is almost no coloration going on, which is pretty good for an 80$ closed headphone. Vocals do not sound dry, but they do not sound full bodied either. The highs also sound fairly rolled off and not very present. For closed headphones they do not seem terribly detailed, which was surprising.

The one thing that I was very surprised with is the lack of soundstage being presented. I am not getting much depth to the presentation, and almost no vertical separation. Sounds seem smeared in space, not focused. I am shocked at this because these are closed headphones, and that is usually one of the things closed headphones do decently. The 20$ HD201 do a better job here. This is pretty disappointing for me.

Build quality
Build quality is utter rubbish. These headphones are defective by design. Countless people have had the headband crack on them just under normal usage. My dad’s pair is no different (see pictures). The fake leather on the top of the headband pretty much disintegrated after 3 years and is why it is not shown in the pictures (my dad threw it out).

These have an MSRP of 200$, which is a joke. I don’t even think I would spend 80$ after knowing that they are prone to breaking under normal usage. Very disappointing.

They can fold up to about half their normal size. When you fold them up though, it puts pressure on the headband, which is not advisable since the headband is prone to breaking.

The ear cups can swivel 90 degrees, so you can hold one cup up to your ear for DJ work. However, the way these are designed the drive enclosure is attached by what appears to be a very flimsy plastic rod. Coupled with the weight of these headphones, this could put a lot of torque on such a small plastic rod. Because of this I would not feel comfortable using these for DJ work without the risk of snapping one of the drives right off.

Comfort
The comfort on these is not good. They have a very high clamping force which gives me a headache after about 30 minutes of using them. They don’t move around on my head a lot though due to the high clamping force. The ear pads go around my ears. The ear pads get very warm after a few minutes of using them, and the inside chambers get quite warm after 15 minutes or so. This makes my ears warm and sweaty, which causes discomfort after about 30 minutes. After using these for 30 minutes, taking them off is like a breath of fresh air for my ears.

Misc
They don’t require an excessive amount of volume out of my amp. About on par with my HD580, if not a little less.

The HD280pro do attenuate a fair amount of outside sound. These could be used in noisy environments.
The coiled cable started off quite stiff, but over time it has gone limp, so to speak. Not really a bad thing, but something to note. The cable itself is very heavy, and can put a lot of weight on the left side of your head if you just have it hanging down and not resting on something like a desk.

Conclusions
These are closed headphones with a lot of isolation. They have a pretty neutral sound, with rolled off highs and lows. The detail is not spectacular and the soundstage leaves a lot to be desired. They are neither dry nor musical sounding.

They are defective by design and prone to breaking. I find them to be very uncomfortable to boot.

I personally wouldn’t recommend these. Sennheiser recently released the HD380pro and I am not sure if this is intended to be a replacement for the HD280pro or if the two will coexist. The fact that Sennheiser still sells a headphone which is known to be defective is disappointing to say the least, even at its current price of 80$us. Sadly, the HD380pro is selling for 200$us new at the moment so it is not in the HD280pro price range yet.

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As always, please feel free to post any questions or comments.
I hope this was helpful,
~Drew
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Hi Towert, thanks for your impressions!

My brief experience with these opposes yours in two ways. First, I found the HD 280's bass deep, even deeper than the DT 880's. Second, I also found the soundstage decently wide, but definitely not as refined or well done as the DT 880's own. But for less than half the price of the DT 880's, I certainly couldn't complain.

Now, I assume that your gear can make a headphone reach its potential more easily than mine, so I have to wonder: what headphone(s) is your point of reference when describing the sound of the HD 280's?

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Hi Towert, thanks for your impressions!

My brief experience with these opposes yours in two ways. First, I found the HD 280's bass deep, even deeper than the DT 880's. Second, I also found the soundstage decently wide, but certainly not as refined or well done as the DT 880's own. Now, I assume that your gear can bring a headphone to its potential more easily than mine, so I have to wonder: what headphone(s) is your point of reference when describing the sound of the HD 280's?

Thanks!!
Hi denl.

HE60 is my point of reference for headphones.
For dynamics the HD580 and HD650 are my main points of reference.

The bass is deep, I can hear it pick up around 24Hz (when I adjust volume levels for the mids), but I find it fairly rolled off compared to the mids.
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Towert another "spot on" review IMO. I auditioned the 280 and 380 and both left a "dark brown" sound in my ears...IMHO
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Hi denl.

HE60 is my point of reference for headphones.

The bass is deep, I can hear it pick up around 24Hz (when I adjust volume levels for the mids), but I find it fairly rolled off compared to the mids.
Ahh ok, I gotcha now! Thanks!!
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Towert another "spot on" review IMO. I auditioned the 280 and 380 and both left a "dark brown" sound in my ears...IMHO
Thank you Trav.
I'm home for a few days, so I'm just going through all the budget headphones I have at home and posting up my impressions on them. One a night. ^_^

I've never heard the HD380pro. I read one person thought it was a solid upgrade to the HD280pro... but I wonder. The fact that you didn't like it puts the other comment into question.
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I must be lucky because my HD280 hasn't had a crack yet on the headband and my head is pretty big.
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Mine have been breaking down piece by piece for 3.5 years now and just 10 minutes ago they headband broke off totally so I had to duct-tape it back together. :\

Which brings me to my next point... what would be the current top replacement for the HD280 Pro in terms of sound isolation? (Even though I never found them isolating sound enough, say, compared to the near-absolute isolation Shure e2c's had) I really don't feel like buying another HD280's if there are better alternatives but I guess I have to go that way again if there are no alternatives :| Any opinions on M-Audio Q40?

And dear God, they still cost the same they did in 2005? Wow.

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Mine have been breaking down piece by piece for 3.5 years now and just 10 minutes ago they headband broke off totally so I had to duct-tape it back together. :\

Which brings me to my next point... what would be the current top replacement for the HD280 Pro in terms of sound isolation? (Even though I never found them isolating sound enough, say, compared to the near-absolute isolation Shure e2c's had) I really don't feel like buying another HD280's if there are better alternatives but I guess I have to go that way again if there are no alternatives :| Any opinions on M-Audio Q40?

And dear God, they still cost the same they did in 2005? Wow.
You should look at HD25-1. Slightly more isolation and better sound quality.
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My 280 pro is falling apart to. The outer plastic on the headband cracked off along time ago, the pleather on the earcups has mostly torn off aswell.

Needless to say my next headphone isn't going to be another sennheiser!
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Mine have been breaking down piece by piece for 3.5 years now and just 10 minutes ago they headband broke off totally so I had to duct-tape it back together. :\

Which brings me to my next point... what would be the current top replacement for the HD280 Pro in terms of sound isolation? (Even though I never found them isolating sound enough, say, compared to the near-absolute isolation Shure e2c's had) I really don't feel like buying another HD280's if there are better alternatives but I guess I have to go that way again if there are no alternatives :| Any opinions on M-Audio Q40?

And dear God, they still cost the same they did in 2005? Wow.
The HD25-1 II have almost as much isolation, but they rest on your ears and have massive amounts of bass.
The AKG K271 have about the same isolation. Personally, if I were in need of another closed headphone around this price range, I would seriously consider the K271. I always seem to read good things about them.
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Needless to say my next headphone isn't going to be another sennheiser!
In all fairness, most of the sennheiser products I have are built very nicely.
Actually the only one that I'm not happy with is the HD280pro.
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Well, AKG K271 seems nice as well but apparently it's not even listed on AKG's website anymore and seems to be rather hard to find from Finland as well (thomann.de still has it, though)

Whereas the M-Audio Q40 seem to be within the same price range as the 280 Pros are/were but I guess I still need some pro opinions about them.

... even though it seems like K271 has replacement cables and stuff widely available whereas the Q40 has none. Bah! :|
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