The HE90 so far gets 33% of the vote, while the highest vote for a Grado is 8%. I think that this gross difference is meaningful.
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I voted for teh HP-1. Never heard it before, but it looks cooler than any other headphone out there, and is so hard to get, it has it's own status. Honestly though I do think the HE90 looks nice, so does the HD-650...and even the HD-590. Personally I think every other headphone Senn makes is hideious, including the beloved HD-600 and 580. But as stated above, this just shows how invalid the linked poll can be. I (and I assume others as well) might have voted for a headphone they have little to no listening time with, simply because their personal opinion of it is biased.
IMHO, it should interest John Grado, as well as other headphone manufacturers. It's quite clear that the quality sound to match or exceed is that provided by the HE90. Hopefully, a future Grado headphone, and other manufacturers' future headphones can provide this quality of sound at a substantially lower cost.
IMHO, it should interest John Grado, as well as other headphone manufacturers. It's quite clear that the quality sound to match or exceed is that provided by the HE90. Hopefully, a future Grado headphone, and other manufacturers' future headphones can provide this quality of sound at a substantially lower cost.
Well judging from the interview I don't think John Grado really cares.
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Originally Posted by mikeg
IMHO, it should interest John Grado, as well as other headphone manufacturers. It's quite clear that the quality sound to match or exceed is that provided by the HE90. Hopefully, a future Grado headphone, and other manufacturers' future headphones can provide this quality of sound at a substantially lower cost.
300 or so "lucky" HE90 owners. 300 over 20 years. In 2002, Sennheiser started dumping the remaining rigs down to a rumored 50% off (that was the apparent price in Canada anyway, phones and amp). It didn't matter that Sennheiser thought they had created the best product in the world, few agreed with them, and fewer still could afford it. Heck, even Tyll felt that the HD650/Blockhead was at least on par with the Big O! Many many MANY people agreed. A lot of times people get caught up in the "moment" and are not necessarily honest with themselves etc. Just recently HE60's have been said to be 90-95% of the HE90's yet for years the HE60's were considered crap next to the HE90 and SR 007. Why then when a few courageous fellows pronounced: "I sure wouldn't drop the cash on the HE90's when the HE60's do it nearly as well for 1/8th the price!" Did more folks begin to nod and agree? That poll isn't necessarily indicative of anything except that those that did vote feel a certain way, without perhaps hearing all of the phones...any of the phones, one or any in their own system, for an extended period of time etc etc. It is well known that one does not get accustomed to a product until after a good while. There may be an odd product that truly does bowl one over and no one can dispute it as king, but these are very very rare, and the HE90/Big O does not fit that category simply because there is not even a hint of a general consensus. 33% or whatever it is is hardly earth shattering. Of this 33%, how many have heard it for an hour straight? I bet less than 10%. How many times have I read that to understand the greatness of the R10's, one needs to live with them for a time...few have done this. Fewer have done this and felt they were not all that special. I guarantee that a whole lot of people would not choose the Big O as the best if they had the other "great combos" on hand for an extended time. Much of it is hype, though I don't dimiss the claims outright, but far too much is hype without any experience.
Now if someone like Wmcmanus or Jatinder chimed in stating...well after owning everything I've definitively decided that the Big O (not just the HE90's) are in fact the best for me...then I may turn my head and focus in on those words. But even they don't decree it outright, (in fact I believe both feel that the R10's are more enjoyable and use them more).
So then we have John...he goes out, does the R&D, builds a "Statement Product" charges 3.5k as you say, has 300 made, and ooops...some like it, and think it is the best ever...others don't. OH NO!!! Who to believe? Well, how many are going to try it at 3.5k? Not many, not right away anyway. So how is he to recoup his costs? By jacking up the prices of his other phones? Great...screw the other guys. Or he can wait 20 years and sell them off bit by bit because of a small cult following and the rumors that it is the best ever. But wait! Tyll over at Headroom still believes the HD700's with the New New Maxed out Max is better! Or what about those Beyer 1010's? Or the "straight to your temporal lobe" Sony contraptions? Now what? well, at least John has some shelf space for his creation...
The problem is that with a Statement product, in order to do it with complete security, I'm assuming John would need to have preorders to ensure he doesn't lose his shirt. Remember...small company, not MASSIVE company like Sennheiser or Sony. If they decide to pump in 2 million into R&D just for kicks, they can without blinking. If John does...well that is a whole other ball of wax. Should he feel pressured to do so just because some say the Big O is the best in the world? For what reason? I'm really just not seeing the logic at all. but that is just me.
Does John sell Grados straight outta the house. If you dont know what i mean, im talking about if i would be able to goto the Grado house and buy a pair there.
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