How can I define fake cx400??

[FarCry]

i got my money back that wasn't the problem. I opened a dispute

The thing is that ebay must do something about these guys. Most people get tricked

[SupraLance]

Well, thought I was safer buying from a member here (especially one who had posted in this thread) instead of Ebay, but I was wrong. I bought the CX400 KUNGFUCHOPSTICKS (2nd post in this thread) was selling, after he assured me that they passed all the picture tests here and were genuine. Turns out he lied. The alligator clip is identical to the fake one in the pictures in this thread. Guess when he saw in this thread that his were fake, he decided to try to sell them to another member here. I see now why he left the alligator clip in the easily resealable zip bag where it couldn't be clearly seen when he posted pics for his for sale thread.

Worst thing is, Paypal will not help if the merchandise is counterfeit and you did not buy it on Ebay, and Jerry Li (a.k.a. KUNGFUCHOPSTICKS) refused to refund my money although I offered to pay return shipping back to him. So I ask for the help of this community. Please let him know how screwed up you think it is for him to use this forum to sell counterfeit merchandise. Let him know this won't be tolerated at Head-fi. Perhaps if he realizes that his peers here do not condone his dishonesty, he will do the right thing and offer a refund....

[HiVoltage85]

Here are another 3 images to help in identifying fakes.

The earphone on the left is from the fake pair. Notice the cheap printing (may not necessarily be scratched), and the poor finishing of the plastic cap.


The one on the left is fake. The difference is in the grille. The Sennheiser grille is rounded, while the grille on the fake pair is flat.


The pouch on top is fake. The pouch from the genuine earphones is genuine leather. This is clearly visible on the Sennheiser logo, where in the fake pouch, the logo is clearly molded in plastic, while on the genuine pouch it looks machined, and even shows some defects due to the material used.

[chinesekiwi]

Originally Posted by alphaproject

Well, I don't trust sellers from China...

I wouldn't say that.
Remember, Darkvoice sells on Ebay, as well as Head-Direct as well as AudiophileChina.

[Boxman90]

I don't think these 'fake tests' are quite consistent. For instance, I bought a legitimate version from an internet shop for like 60 euro's. They were great, still are.

On the other hand, I just imported a pair from China, and did a sound test: they sound exactly the same, they both sound really really good. Even my audiophile dad could not really point any differences.

Here's the funny thing.. According to your 'fake spotting tests', the following is the case:

Both my original als my 'fake china' versions have the flat grill and therefore should be fake. Both my original as my 'fake china' versions have a leather pouch that is not really leather because the logo has been moulded in.

The funny thing is, the China version has a legit clip and a legit holder. So it's only half fake? xD


Couldn't it just be that somewhere in time Sennheiser decided to make some more profit by making the accessories a bit diffrent? Obviously pleather is cheaper than leather, so couldn't it just be that they switched production processes for the sake of less costs and more profit?

And on top of that I don't see how a bent or a flat grill will tell you if it's fake or not. It's such a tiny component, it wouldn't make any difference for the sound quality if the bent batch ran out at Sennheiser and they had to use a flat batch of grills.

So it might just well be that nowadays a lot of those fake/real comparisons are fake themselves, as you can't really tell if it's fake or not. According to it, my genuine Sennheisers should be fake (the buds itself that is), and the fake Sennheisers should be at least half original.. ????


As a conclusion I'd like to ask the following: suppose you have got yourself a fake one. But the fake one sounds exactly as good as the original one. Would you really mind you got a fake one, or are you glad you paid a lot less for the same sound?


Look, i've made my own theory about this. We all know that a lot of electronics are produced in China. I personally think this is the case: Sennheiser's got a factory in China that makes the high quality earbuds for them (explaining the reason why there are different grills or pouches maybe? because there are different factories with different suppliers of those things that don't really matter for the sound quality?). Sennheiser then imports them to Germany, where they sell them for 60 euro's because it says "sennheiser".

In the meantime, I think that factory in China is not crazy and just keeps a few of their own, selling it themselves to make some more profit out of them. The factory will then probably sell them themselves for more than Sennheiser pays them, so they will make some profit too.

I think i've got one of those, they're both original, but one is sold by sennheiser for the price of the logo, and the other is sold by the factory for a price a little higher than the production costs are (or a little higher than the price Sennheiser pays them).


And ofcourse there may be real fakes (ha-ha) that sound like crap, but I don't know that.


What do you think of this? (if you've had the courage to read everything).

My apologies if my english is dogdy every now and then, I'm from Holland and I don't really feel like screening my whole post atm.

[Boxman90]

nobody?

[Boxman90]

Well since nobody is replying, I'll make it short:

Couldn't it just be that those chinese factories just produce for Sennheiser, and then when the quotum Sennheiser requested is met, they just 'keep the belts running' for a while and keep those for themselves?

In that case, can't it just be that those 'fakes' are just genuine but have not gone through Sennheisers own distribution centre, and therefore are stamped as fake, while they are actually the same?

Hope i get someones opinions on this.

[dranoel4190]

Originally Posted by HiVoltage85

The one on the left is fake. The difference is in the grille. The Sennheiser grille is rounded, while the grille on the fake pair is flat.


The pouch on top is fake. The pouch from the genuine earphones is genuine leather. This is clearly visible on the Sennheiser logo, where in the fake pouch, the logo is clearly molded in plastic, while on the genuine pouch it looks machined, and even shows some defects due to the material used.

on the pic with the grille, i think the right earphone is the fake one. the grills on the genuine should look like they overlap each other while the fake ones look like theyre flat.

on the leather pouch pic, again i think you switch it around. the top one looks to be legit and the bottom is the fake one.


btw, ive owned a couple of cx400 and cx500s

[panda]

u can start by not buying crappy fones that get counterfeited to begin with, let alone second hand. r u that cheap?

[Boxman90]

That's exactly what I thought, as my legit pair had both the flat grill on the left and the pouch on top.

[chicagomike]

Originally Posted by Golden Monkey

Who was the seller, by the way? Please tell me it wasn't Glicco (or Sarjo)...I got some HD650's from them, and they are some shady mofos...

Item: 1 of Sennheiser RS 140 Wireless Balanced Headphones [Electronics] Seller's e-mail: gliccogroup@yahoo.com

Hi, I just bought an item from sarjo on amazon, did you ever get your items from them and were they real no fake ones? You said they were weird mofo's and I am sorta concerned after placing my order with them. Thanks