Which headphone would you suggest for me?

[003]

Originally Posted by andy43

I guess I never thought much about Grado's being supra-aural. See, the problem is, I have gauged ears and they make my ears fairly sensitive. I really should be getting circum-aural headphones. Man, this is a never-ending dilemma.

In that case I would try and source a K240 Sextett.

[Mindless]

Originally Posted by andy43

I guess I never thought much about Grado's being supra-aural. See, the problem is, I have gauged ears and they make my ears fairly sensitive. I really should be getting circum-aural headphones. Man, this is a never-ending dilemma.

I guess something like the D2000 might be better then. I don't like them myself very much but they are very comfortable to wear. Anyway. Go to the meet that they had planned in the NC area. It should help you decide.

[1Time]

Originally Posted by Mindless

Point taken but I am not questioning your ability to gather information from the forums using the search function, I'm simply questioning the fact that you haven't posted any relevant information based on your personal experience with these particular cans, which is of most use when deciding on a new headphone. For example, you assumed SR225 lacked bass extention which they don't compared to similarly priced cans.

There are far more opinions based on first hand experience of the SR225 outside of this thread than in it. My opinions regarding the SR225 were based on research I did outside of this thread. And as my earlier post clearly shows (see below), I did not compare the SR225 to similarly priced cans.

Originally Posted by 1Time

Yes, I agree. Grados by design are not the best choice for everyone, especially if wanting a strong, tight, and extended deep bass. This is what I consider a strong point of the Ultrasone Proline 650. However, I can't imagine a majority finding Grados more comfortable than the top tier of Sennheisers.

[headphonejunkie]

I own a pair of 225's and must say they do not lack bass. I do not know where people are getting this from. Unless, they listen to some very bassy cans. I love mine. Also, with an amp these cans really do sound good.

[1Time]

Originally Posted by headphonejunkie

I own a pair of 225's and must say they do not lack bass. I do not know where people are getting this from. Unless, they listen to some very bassy cans. I love mine. Also, with an amp these cans really do sound good.

I'm sure the SR225 really does sound good amped, and it's great that you love yours. I probably would already have owned one had I not thought it likely to find it uncomfortable and lacking in deep bass strength and extension (I'm somewhat of a basshead).

I developed my opinions of the SR225 from reading the opinions of first hand owners of the SR225. I'm sure many find the bass of the SR225 at least adequate. However, it's really not hard at all to find first hand accounts of those who deemed the SR225's bass less than.

I've read the arguments for and against the bass of Grados in general in a few threads, but it always comes down to personal preference. And after having experienced the deep, tight bass strength and extension of the Ultrasone Proline 650, I now doubt I will ever buy another Grado.

[003]

Originally Posted by 1Time

I probably would already have owned one had I not thought it likely to find it uncomfortable and lacking in deep bass strength and extension (I'm somewhat of a basshead). I developed my opinions of the SR225 from reading the opinions of first hand owners of the SR225.

Seriously, your not helping this thread, and losing more and more credibility each time you post saying that you form opinions based on what you read from other people. Guess what. While some of those opinions you read may in fact be first hand, a lot of them are also exactly what you are doing, based on others opinions. Some people even lie about having first hand experience. You also don't seem to realize that everybody has their own unique ears and their own unique preferences in audio. There are also an equal number of people that say the grados with flats are very comfortable and have to much bass. What made you go with the opinions of people who say it has to little and is uncomfortable instead? What made their opinions more credible? Nothing.

I originally believed the reviews and opinions of people who said the HP1000 was boring and neutral to the point of being dull, and I never really even considered them as a possibility for myself.

Then I went to a meet and heard them first hand, and I was left wondering where I could get some of the stuff that the people who say that were smoking.

[1Time]

Originally Posted by 003

Seriously, your not helping this thread, and losing more and more credibility each time you post saying that you form opinions based on what you read from other people. Guess what. While some of those opinions you read may in fact be first hand, a lot of them are also exactly what you are doing, based on others opinions. Some people even lie about having first hand experience.

There is no reason to value your opinion of how helpful or not you consider my participation in this thread. Forming opinions based on the experience shared here by those claiming first hand experience is what many Head-Fi members and readers of these forums do. When it comes down to how much consideration I assign to these personal accounts, I prefer the ones which include pros and cons or even comparisons with other cans. And the ones I least prefer are those posted from fanboys and the obviously inexperienced. I'm sorry if that threatens your credibility, but that's really not my interest or concern. I'm posting for the benefit of the OP, but also and primarily for the readers of this thread.

Originally Posted by 003

You also don't seem to realize that everybody has their own unique ears and their own unique preferences in audio.

My use of the words "personal preference" in my last post and my last post in general shows your observation is clearly unfounded.

Originally Posted by 003

There are also an equal number of people that say the grados with flats are very comfortable and have to much bass. What made you go with the opinions of people who say it has to little and is uncomfortable instead? What made their opinions more credible? Nothing.

I don't know the percentage of past and current Grado owners who would agree that flats are very comfortable and have too much bass, but this statement is irrelevant since the quantity of bass is not at issue. It's how tight, strong, and extended the deep bass is with the Grado SR225 + flats as compared to the Ultrasone Proline 650.

Originally Posted by 003

I originally believed the reviews and opinions of people who said the HP1000 was boring and neutral to the point of being dull, and I never really even considered them as a possibility for myself.

Then I went to a meet and heard them first hand, and I was left wondering where I could get some of the stuff that the people who say that were smoking.

The explanation for this experience of yours is based in the differences people have in personal preference and perception. And, it likely had very little to do with people having lied in their posts about their experiences with the HP1000.

[003]

Originally Posted by 1Time

Forming opinions based on the experience shared here by those claiming first hand experience is what many Head-Fi members and readers of these forums do.

Yes, that is true. And it is one of the biggest problems here on head-fi.

Originally Posted by 1Time

When it comes down to how much consideration I assign to these personal accounts, I prefer the ones which include pros and cons or even comparisons with other cans. And the ones I least prefer are those posted from fanboys and the obviously inexperienced.

This mirrors my feelings, except the difference here is you apparently feel the reviews that are to your liking are objective rather than subjective, and you base your purchase decisions off these reviews without even trying the headphones for yourself.

Originally Posted by 1Time

I'm sorry if that threatens your credibility, but that's really not my interest or concern.

No foul here, as I am not the one giving sound and comfort input on headphones I've selectively read reviews on but never actually tried myself.

Originally Posted by 1Time

My use of the words "personal preference" in my last post and my last post in general shows your observation is clearly unfounded.

You say that your personal preference is the "deep, tight bass strength and extension of the Ultrasone Proline 650", compared to the SR225 with flats which you've never heard nor worn. Sounds reasonable enough to me.

Originally Posted by 1Time

I don't know the percentage of past and current Grado owners who would agree that flats are very comfortable and have too much bass, but this statement is irrelevant since the quantity of bass is not at issue. It's how tight, strong, and extended the deep bass is with the Grado SR225 + flats as compared to the Ultrasone Proline 650.

Restating what I said above, you are comparing one headphone to another which you've never actually heard or worn.

Originally Posted by 1Time

The explanation for this experience of yours is based in the differences people have in personal preference and perception. And, it likely had very little to do with people having lied in their posts about their experiences with the HP1000.

I didn't say everybody who posts a first hand experience is lying. I said there ARE people who claim to have had first hand experience when in fact they have not and are just restating the opinions of others (which then you would potentially read and agree with, and spread the word whenever the same topic comes up again). I do not believe the people who say the HP1000 is boring and dull were lying, I believe they have different ears, tastes and equipment than myself, and this is thus reflected in their subjective opinion (likewise, my view is also subjective and only an opinion, as is yours and all the reviews you read). What if the people claiming that the SR225 with flats does not have tight or deep enough bass have a different view of sound than you, and in reality if you were to hear them, you would love them? Of course, the possibility that what you have read is just confirmed is equally possible. My point is that you really don't know until you've tried.

[1Time]

Originally Posted by 1Time

Forming opinions based on the experience shared here by those claiming first hand experience is what many Head-Fi members and readers of these forums do.

Originally Posted by 003

Yes, that is true. And it is one of the biggest problems here on head-fi.

Your point here is entirely moot. Forming opinions based on what people write is in large part the value of visiting Head-Fi. There is absoltely nothing wrong with posting opinions of personal experience, or of opinions based on what one has read of other's accounts. And that a few people lie when posting does not change this.

Originally Posted by 1Time

When it comes down to how much consideration I assign to these personal accounts, I prefer the ones which include pros and cons or even comparisons with other cans. And the ones I least prefer are those posted from fanboys and the obviously inexperienced.

Originally Posted by 003

This mirrors my feelings, except the difference here is you apparently feel the reviews that are to your liking are objective rather than subjective, and you base your purchase decisions off these reviews without even trying the headphones for yourself.

People often buy headphones based on what they've read. It's best to hear the cans first with one's associated equipment, but there's nothing wrong with doing otherwise. And, there's nothing wrong with giving opinions based on what one has read about other's reported first hand accounts. And, buying headphones based on reviews instead of buying after auditioning first does not change any of this.

Originally Posted by 1Time

I'm sorry if that threatens your credibility, but that's really not my interest or concern.

Originally Posted by 003

No foul here, as I am not the one giving sound and comfort input on headphones I've selectively read reviews on but never actually tried myself.

There's nothing discrediting about posting opinions based on what one has read, simple as that. To suggest otherwise as you do is rediculous. For example, you post your first hand opinion about your cans, no problem. One reads it and selectively reads other opinions as well, no problem. One forms an opinion from the opinions one has read, no problem. One posts that opinion as being one formed from what he has read, no problem. Others form opinions from that or any previous posts, no problem. There is no meaningful reason why posting as I described should be condemned, considered detrimental, or not helpful.

Originally Posted by 1Time

My use of the words "personal preference" in my last post and my last post in general shows your observation is clearly unfounded.

Originally Posted by 003

You say that your personal preference is the "deep, tight bass strength and extension of the Ultrasone Proline 650", compared to the SR225 with flats which you've never heard nor worn. Sounds reasonable enough to me.

You misunderstood. See my next response.

Originally Posted by 1Time

I don't know the percentage of past and current Grado owners who would agree that flats are very comfortable and have too much bass, but this statement is irrelevant since the quantity of bass is not at issue. It's how tight, strong, and extended the deep bass is with the Grado SR225 + flats as compared to the Ultrasone Proline 650.

Originally Posted by 003

Restating what I said above, you are comparing one headphone to another which you've never actually heard or worn.

If you re-read this again you should see what I stated was, the issue is how these two compare, not that I compared them. It's obvious I cannot directly compare these two cans because I've never heard the SR225. Re-reading post #65 also may help clarify this.

Originally Posted by 1Time

The explanation for this experience of yours is based in the differences people have in personal preference and perception. And, it likely had very little to do with people having lied in their posts about their experiences with the HP1000..

Originally Posted by 003

I didn't say everybody who posts a first hand experience is lying. I said there ARE people who claim to have had first hand experience when in fact they have not and are just restating the opinions of others (which then you would potentially read and agree with, and spread the word whenever the same topic comes up again). I do not believe the people who say the HP1000 is boring and dull were lying, I believe they have different ears, tastes and equipment than myself, and this is thus reflected in their subjective opinion (likewise, my view is also subjective and only an opinion, as is yours and all the reviews you read). What if the people claiming that the SR225 with flats does not have tight or deep enough bass have a different view of sound than you, and in reality if you were to hear them, you would love them? Of course, the possibility that what you have read is just confirmed is equally possible. My point is that you really don't know until you've tried.

I did not state or imply that you did say everybody who posts first hand is lying. And again, that few lie does not change any of what I've posted here. No number of "what ifs" makes any of what I've posted less valid. As stated before, it's best to hear the cans first with one's associated equipment before buying, but there's nothing wrong with buying based on reviews. It's just more risky and a risk many are willing to take.

[Mindless]

Coming up with a well thought out reply in this stage would tear too much on my soul and mind so I will simply say this:

You have no idea if you are restating a first hand, second hand, third, fourth... hell, even fifth hand opinion regarding SR225. That is where the problem in doing such lies, not in the fact that you are diligent in your search for information that will be helpful for the OP.

Bottom line is: First hand comments regarding a particular headphone, amplifier or source is the best when deciding because you have no idea how many times a second hand opinion has been restated by different people.

[ezzo]

I am having exactly the same dilemma as andy43, removing the portability and isolation issue.

How about HD 25-1?
It cost rather expensive here in Singapore thou, almost US$220.
And many people said it is more for portable use rather than home use.
Everyone have other suggestions?

[andy43]

All right, so we've pretty much narrowed it down. If I can bare the comfort of the SR225's, these are the way to go. But if the comfort is a problem, then the Denon D2000's are the next best thing. Is there anything else I'm missing out on?

[bperboy]

Originally Posted by andy43

All right, so we've pretty much narrowed it down. If I can bare the comfort of the SR225's, these are the way to go. But if the comfort is a problem, then the Denon D2000's are the next best thing. Is there anything else I'm missing out on?

Seriously, I would still go for the HD580s. Great all-arounder!

[Mindless]

Originally Posted by bperboy

Seriously, I would still go for the HD580s. Great all-arounder!

You would still go for HD580 even if the other two were better sounding headphones? Great all-rounder indeed, but the Grados and Denons are superior all-rounders for the price, and I don't even like the Denons.

andy43: Exactly. I don't think there is much more to add honestly.

[Ruckus]

If I had your cash to spend...

AD2000. But that's just me.

Let us know what you decided to buy. And write up a review/impression ^^

AD900 loses in the Poll