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Definitely. The UM2's are already much fuller. Where the Etys excel is in microdynamics, high frequency response and gobs and gobs and GOBS of detail.
No I know Westones are fuller but not as detailed. Thats what I love about my Etys, the detail..... if they can put that kinda detail with some nice fullness. Well lets hope I have $4000 soon.
That's a pretty flawed argument. What do manufacturers stand to lose by including replaceable cords? If cords fail, they won't have to bear the costs of RMAing - instead, they'll be making money on people buying new cords. There's really no good reason for Westone to leave them out.
Reliability actually. Including a replaceable cord means 2 more areas where there is likely to be breakage (at the plug).
So far as I know UE is the only one that offers the replaceable cable, and they've had more than one or two breakages right where the cable plugs into the IEM. Then throw in the added cost of building it, and you've just increased the price.
So there's a couple of really good reasons not to have a replaceable cable.
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Reliability actually. Including a replaceable cord means 2 more areas where there is likely to be breakage (at the plug).
So far as I know UE is the only one that offers the replaceable cable, and they've had more than one or two breakages right where the cable plugs into the IEM. Then throw in the added cost of building it, and you've just increased the price.
So there's a couple of really good reasons not to have a replaceable cable.
Couldn't agree more.
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With that logic then cars companies should invest more so that the tires never need to be replaced due to wear?
poor argument at best!
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With that logic then cars companies should invest more so that the tires never need to be replaced due to wear?
poor argument at best!
No, actually it's a great argument. Tires and extremely small scale plugs and jacks, like the ones that would need to be used in an IEM application, are as different as night and day so instead of fanning the flames try adding something useful to the discussion.
Ask yourself a question, wouldn't you chose whichever option was more reliable? I don't know about you but on just about every electronic device I've ever owned the headphone jack has been just about always the first thing that wore out. And that's a 3.5mm jack! UE uses a much smaller jack and plug at the IEM for their connections. I'm not saying UE didn't do their homework before coming out with a replaceable cable but if it comes at the cost of decreased reliability I'd look elsewhere for my next set of IEMs.
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The ES2 uses a replaceable cable right? Maybe Westone has it down so these issues aren't a concern for them? I have no idea about UE though. Ety's cables are replaceable as well. Are there many issues with those pins? I don't know, I haven't followed the discussions at all if there have been any. I will say that my Ety's have been nearly dead for >1 year nad this is because of rips in the cable. If I could replace the cable myself, I would have a 100% working pair of Etys. I'm not thrilled about sending them to Etymotic from Canada, spending what will amount to $100 minimum because they won't sell the cables commercially. I'm still contemplating sending my pair to Drew so he can whip me up some swanky Dragon cable.
In Etymotic's defense, I've read that they do some testing for linearity once a cable is attached. I doubt this really matters much though, a cable is a cable if all made the same.
So if my cable does die on an IEM, and provided the connectors are not a wink link, I like the option, but if it is going to cause problems, screw it. Reliability is far more important to me.
No, actually it's a great argument. Tires and extremely small scale plugs and jacks, like the ones that would need to be used in an IEM application, are as different as night and day so instead of fanning the flames try adding something useful to the discussion.
Ask yourself a question, wouldn't you chose whichever option was more reliable? I don't know about you but on just about every electronic device I've ever owned the headphone jack has been just about always the first thing that wore out. And that's a 3.5mm jack! UE uses a much smaller jack and plug at the IEM for their connections. I'm not saying UE didn't do their homework before coming out with a replaceable cable but if it comes at the cost of decreased reliability I'd look elsewhere for my next set of IEMs.
my point is obvious. why replament buds,foamies, etc. and if the cables CAN BE replaced then IEMs become new again. UE's customer support is second to none. any issue taken care of period. granted they are not perfect and I have had problems with seried 1.0 cables. I get your point and E500's are built very well. But I don't think the intention was to save money on the original build. they would have changed the design in the new triple.fi's think about it they would not continue to take a loss replacing cables if the idea was to SAVE money I would say it backfired.
Don't rule out owning the holy grail of IEM's UE-10's of course. based on some cable being replaceable or not.
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Don't rule out owning the holy grail of IEM's UE-10's of course. based on some cable being replaceable or not.
Are they indeed the holy grail? Are Sensaphonics so far behind? Or the Westone E2's? If so then these new 3's (and when the customs come out whatever they will be called) have a lot to live up to and go after.
Are they indeed the holy grail? Are Sensaphonics so far behind? Or the Westone E2's? If so then these new 3's (and when the customs come out whatever they will be called) have a lot to live up to and go after.
When they come out, when they are made into customs????
When and if they dethrone the champ I will bow gracefully and quickly place an order!
Gonna be tough! I hope they can escalate IEMs to the next level it would be great for the "sport"
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