New Power Cable to consider--IeGO Power Cable

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by velogreg

I ordered my cables Saturday, they shipped Monday and arrived Wednesday (yesterday). Taiwan to Southern California in three days, that is faster delivery than I receive with most California and Arizona vendors.

Thanks David, the power cable fit and finish is very high quality and looks every bit as good as the pictures posted. I will hook them up to my tube amps this weekend and hopefully they will sound as good as expected.

I have just posted some updated info on L80229 on Audiocircle's Industry ads, I feel it might not be all that suitable to post it here.

Industry ads
Look for IeGO's mid range power cable.

[nick20]

Maniac, can you please delete a few messages so I can get in contact with you.



Thanks!


-Nick

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by nick20

Maniac, can you please delete a few messages so I can get in contact with you.

Done, thanks for the reminder.

[nick20]

PM sent.

[ecclesand]

Originally Posted by velogreg

I ordered my cables Saturday, they shipped Monday and arrived Wednesday (yesterday). Taiwan to Southern California in three days, that is faster delivery than I receive with most California and Arizona vendors.

Thanks David, the power cable fit and finish is very high quality and looks every bit as good as the pictures posted. I will hook them up to my tube amps this weekend and hopefully they will sound as good as expected.

Any impressions yet, velogreg? I've been watching these IEGO threads closely as I'm interested in upgrading my IronLung Jellyfish PCs.

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by ecclesand

Any impressions yet, velogreg? I've been watching these IEGO threads closely as I'm interested in upgrading my IronLung Jellyfish PCs.

Have you checked out Jon's thread lately? he had a review of all the IeGO's cables

[mojo]

Originally Posted by slwiser

Check it out.

At least it's not garden hose I guess

"What's more interesting is that the copper used is sourced from Furukawa (yes, that really expensive Furukawa), their 1020 Copper/Rose copper is rated at 4N purity. It is then alloyed with 0.1% of gold before it is made into wire (all the copper in the cabling have been alloyed with gold) and use OCC casting process with diamond drawing die to create it. The silver plated copper additionally receive between 120um to 240um of pure silver plating (plating thickness depends on wire gauge).

And how exactly does that help? I mean, isn't the goal with power to eliminate noise as much as possible, rather than selecting wire that transmits it especially well?

I would have thought the shielding would have been more important.

Also, presumably this cable is useless unless paired with a mains conditioner, since otherwise it's just the last 1m on the end of 1000s of meters of the cheapest copper cable available? Or am I missing something?

It is then cryo processed in liquid nitrogen for 22 hours @ -240C/-400F to relieve all internal stress, and then bundled up to make the wire you see above."

Doesn't freezing things to make them solid and hard increase stress? Especially since they tend to shrink when frozen and then expand again when warmed up. Surely a better way to relieve "internal" stress would be to massage the cable to allow all parts to settle in the most natural stress free position?

BTW, what does stress have to do with electrical conductivity of audio signals?

[Know Talent]

Originally Posted by mojo

At least it's not garden hose I guess



And how exactly does that help? I mean, isn't the goal with power to eliminate noise as much as possible, rather than selecting wire that transmits it especially well?

I would have thought the shielding would have been more important.

Also, presumably this cable is useless unless paired with a mains conditioner, since otherwise it's just the last 1m on the end of 1000s of meters of the cheapest copper cable available? Or am I missing something?



Doesn't freezing things to make them solid and hard increase stress? Especially since they tend to shrink when frozen and then expand again when warmed up. Surely a better way to relieve "internal" stress would be to massage the cable to allow all parts to settle in the most natural stress free position?

BTW, what does stress have to do with electrical conductivity of audio signals?

but dude.... it's FURUKAWA super-duper 4 nines copper,
This isn't some cheapo 4 nines copper from boiled down circuit boards and scrap cable...In fact, I wouldn't be surprized if it's extracted from meteorites!!!

The only thing I want to know is does the REFERENCE model come with an authentic Furukawa copper foil hat?

[Maniac]

mojo, where did you get the idea that the goal of power cable is to eliminate noise? The primary goal is to deliver power with as little restriction as possible, and then the noise part comes after that.

As for shielding, please note that in the cut-away photos of both cable clearly shows copper foil shielding for maximum shield coverage.

And where did you get the idea that it is useless unless it is paired with a mains conditioner? It works fine as is, and it is mutually beneficial if you pair them up, but it is definitely not required for the cable to work its magic.


As for Cryo processing, it is being used in MANY other applications other than conductors in cables, it is also used in industrial applications like casting dies, high speed cutting tools (yes, and people used that on their pocket knife too) and more. It is a proven process to improve many aspects of performance of metal (possibly other materials, but that I'm not sure), I suggest a search on Google and Wikipedia for the science behind the process.


Here's one link that I found a few minutes ago:
Cryogenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by Know Talent

but dude.... it's FURUKAWA super-duper 4 nines copper,
This isn't some cheapo 4 nines copper from boiled down circuit boards and scrap cable...In fact, I wouldn't be surprized if it's extracted from meteorites!!!

The only thing I want to know is does the REFERENCE model come with an authentic Furukawa copper foil hat?

Would you like to return to discussion or would you like to provide some factual information on what you have said above?

[Know Talent]

Originally Posted by Maniac

Would you like to return to discussion or would you like to provide some factual information on what you have said above?

You want me to provide factual information?
Hey, I'm not the one trying to sell bs cable marketing crapola thru "snake waving" pseudo-science.

You can't even explain the science behind how cryogenic treatment affects metallugical grain patterns without refering to wikipedia...

maybe you can provide us with a link to how "relaxed/aligned" grain patterns in copper relate to enhanced electron transferance across valance shells?

My guess is you're a/another cable peddl'n shill...

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by Know Talent

You want me to provide factual information?
Hey, I'm not the one trying to sell bs cable marketing crapola thru "snake waving" pseudo-science.

You can't even explain the science behind how cryogenic treatment affects metallugical grain patterns without refering to wikipedia...

maybe you can provide us with a link to how "relaxed/aligned" grain patterns in copper relate to enhanced electron transferance across valance shells?

My guess is you're a/another cable peddl'n shill...

Well, the first time you have entered the discussion is full of sarcasm, if you are so into anti-cable discussions, why don't you start a thread on that and leave other people's thread alone? This thread is more or less for discussion on the effect of the cable on your equipments, not how exactly the cable is made. The information is provided for those who are genuinely interested in knowing what goes into the cable. If you doubt if the said process is ever applied to the cable, I welcome any information on that, as that would mean my supplier is BSing me.

So far, you have provided nothing but sarcasm...

[Know Talent]

Originally Posted by Maniac

Well, the first time you have entered the discussion is full of sarcasm, if you are so into anti-cable discussions, why don't you start a thread on that and leave other people's thread alone? This thread is more or less for discussion on the effect of the cable on your equipments, not how exactly the cable is made. The information is provided for those who are genuinely interested in knowing what goes into the cable. If you doubt if the said process is ever applied to the cable, I welcome any information on that, as that would mean my supplier is BSing me.

So far, you have provided nothing but sarcasm...

OK, no more sarcasm...

How does "cryogenic treatment" affect grain boundaries in a way that translates to lower resistance and does it alter capacitive and/or inductive properties?

Is this reduction in resistance, vs. a non-cryogenically treated Furukawa... measureable across a 6 ft length of cable and does the manufacturer have any third party test data to confirm this?

Does the difference relieve/reduce any "current compression" given real world power supply demands?

No more sarcasm, just honest questions from an inquisitive audio enthusiast...

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Maniac

mojo, where did you get the idea that the goal of power cable is to eliminate noise? The primary goal is to deliver power with as little restriction as possible, and then the noise part comes after that.

You misunderstand me. I don't mean the power cable is supposed to filter noise, I mean that the power supply system for a component in general is. You want as clean a DC supply voltage as possible.

That's why I don't get the point of using materials that transmit noise better. Mains 50/60GHz 230/120V "signal" is so large and strong and ideally smooth it makes no sense to use material that is designed to preserve small details in the signal, even if it comes from a power conditioner.

As for shielding, please note that in the cut-away photos of both cable clearly shows copper foil shielding for maximum shield coverage.

Yeah, I know, it's just that the blurb didn't seem to make much of that, it was talking mostly about the wire.

And where did you get the idea that it is useless unless it is paired with a mains conditioner? It works fine as is, and it is mutually beneficial if you pair them up, but it is definitely not required for the cable to work its magic.

Magic? That's what I mean, what exactly does it do? If the copper wire reduces loss and preserves detail better, then clearly it's fairly pointless using it with ordinary noisy mains since if anything it will just be preserving the noise.

As for Cryo processing, it is being used in MANY other applications other than conductors in cables, it is also used in industrial applications like casting dies, high speed cutting tools (yes, and people used that on their pocket knife too) and more. It is a proven process to improve many aspects of performance of metal (possibly other materials, but that I'm not sure), I suggest a search on Google and Wikipedia for the science behind the process.

Cryogenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you read the Wikipedia article? You will notice that it is generally used for producing harder and more durable metals. The blurb talks about "relaxing" flexible copper wire. Making the wire harder would not relax it nor improve it's ability to withstand being flexed.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Maniac

This thread is more or less for discussion on the effect of the cable on your equipments, not how exactly the cable is made.

I think after this debacle, people are interested in how expensive products are made and about the claims manufacturers make of them:

My cat tore up my Virtual Dynamics Power 3...

In particular, I would like to understand exactly what you are trying to do with the design of this cable, and why you think it will affect sound quality. I'm not lucky enough to have money to burn on one so I can't really comment on it's relative SQ, and since double blind testing is banned here...