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02-05-2008, 04:11 PM
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What profit?
Sandblasting is only used in the power 3 and Basic.
Lets dissect another cable shall we?
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02-05-2008, 04:12 PM
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Let's also open up a stock cable and open it up and see how well it's built/constructed/manufactured (that is, after we dump out all the diamonds and rubies inside  ). Grab your lamp and open up the cord coming off it. Or your toaster. Or whatever. Sheesh, I mean it doesn't even have a friggin' garden hose on it. What a rip-off.
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02-05-2008, 04:17 PM
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The least they could have done was used Liquid Electrical tape at least it would look nice and function well probably better.
To Acoustic Chef: people have every right to ask questions and to question your companies tactics and use of materials for what the cables retail for regardless of what they payed for them. The way you are responding is the way you lose business especially with the niche market you are in. People don't need "high end" cables and if they decide to get some and see this thread kiss a sale good bye.
I have never taken a marketing course but I know honesty and understanding is the best way to keep customers happy. You aren't Microsoft or Apple people do not need your product and remember that you cannot treat them as if they do that mentality will only cause your business to fail.
Also why the avoidance of the question are these UL listed. Cause if they aren't and you have some kind of electrical fire even if its due to lightning or a faulty power strip that is UL listed the insurance company can see that cable and laugh their asses off at you and say sorry you get no money cause that cable may have caused all of this.
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At that cheap price, you get their basic cable with Dynamic Filtering which does make a nice difference as many many people have reported here and elsewhere.
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Since when is $150 cheap for a power cord? Just because it is at the bottom of their line, does not mean it should be made this poorly.
The size and stiffness of the cord is a marketing technique, so that their customers assume it sounds better, because it is large and heavy. This technique is working well for them, just as Bose and Monster's marketing strategies are successful.
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Since when is $150 cheap for a power cord?
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You can't get anything but the most basic of cords for $150. That is absolutely near the bottom of the range of these things, and pretty typical price for a bottom of the line cord. Look around.
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02-05-2008, 04:27 PM
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You can't get anything but the most basic of cords for $150. That is absolutely near the bottom of the range of these things, and pretty typical price for a bottom of the line cord. Look around.
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IDK that Iron Lung Jellyfish cable is about $30 and was rated higher than cables more than 10x its price.
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02-05-2008, 04:28 PM
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The least they could have done was used Liquid Electrical tape at least it would look nice and function well probably better.
To Acoustic Chef: people have every right to ask questions and to question your companies tactics and use of materials for what the cables retail for regardless of what they payed for them. The way you are responding is the way you lose business especially with the niche market you are in. People don't need "high end" cables and if they decide to get some and see this thread kiss a sale good bye.
I have never taken a marketing course but I know honesty and understanding is the best way to keep customers happy. You aren't Microsoft or Apple people do not need your product and remember that you cannot treat them as if they do that mentality will only cause your business to fail.
Also why the avoidance of the question are these UL listed. Cause if they aren't and you have some kind of electrical fire even if its due to lightning or a faulty power strip that is UL listed the insurance company can see that cable and laugh their asses off at you and say sorry you get no money cause that cable may have caused all of this.
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We carry exceptional customer service including myself. Just read around.
But the fact is we aren't talking about customers here but rather MOT competitors, skeptics jumping at the opportunity to support them selves and they're beliefs, and people with nothing better to do.
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Since when is $150 cheap for a power cord? Just because it is at the bottom of their line, does not mean it should be made this poorly.
The size and stiffness of the cord is a marketing technique, so that their customers assume it sounds better, because it is large and heavy. This technique is working well for them, just as Bose and Monster's marketing strategies are successful.
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Wrong again buddy. Its size is to support the graduals that hold such a dramatic influence on the overall sound quality of the cable through the absorption of mechanically induced vibrations.
https://www.virtualdynamics.ca/videos/
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You can't get anything but the most basic of cords for $150. That is absolutely near the bottom of the range of these things, and pretty typical price for a bottom of the line cord. Look around.
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Power Cables
The Silver Resolution is a bit more expensive, but their other cables are significantly less expensive.
VH Audio - AC Power Cables
Flavor 1, 2 & 3 are less expensive, with the Flavor 4 being a bit more expensive.
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02-05-2008, 04:33 PM
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I honestly don't know what kind of trust fund you have. $150 may just be lunch money for you, but for the rest of us, $150 is a BIG chunk of change.
MonoPrice.com - Best quality products at the lowest price
I have looked around, and I came across the above link. $5 will buy you a VERY nice powercord, much better quality and construction than that $150 VD powercrod.
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You can't get anything but the most basic of cords for $150. That is absolutely near the bottom of the range of these things, and pretty typical price for a bottom of the line cord. Look around.
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granted most of those sub $100 PC are basically cut from commercially available cables, put on the sleeve, and terminated. i.e. the actual cable is off-the-shelf much like what BJC does.
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But the fact is we aren't talking about customers here but rather MOT competitors, skeptics jumping at the opportunity to support them selves and they're beliefs, and people with nothing better to do.
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I started this thread and I don't fall into any of those catagories.
People here are got carried away on whether or not cables work, but got back on track. Good job everyone.
This was an accidental discovery. After I cut of the heatshrink and saw the quality of work that went into this $150 cable (oh wait, Chef said the free ones aren't built to the same quality...), I decided to dig a little deeper.
I posted my findings because that's why this forum exists. A few headphone junkies got together to talk about better headphones and be able to share there hobby for high quality, and their disdain for bullsh*t quality and bose-like marketing nonsense.
If I received X headphone from one of the big 5 manufacturers and it was a half-assed build, I would do the exact same thing I did in my first post
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Power Cables
The Silver Resolution is a bit more expensive, but their other cables are significantly less expensive.
VH Audio - AC Power Cables
Flavor 1, 2 & 3 are less expensive, with the Flavor 4 being a bit more expensive.
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Yes but does it sound better..?
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02-05-2008, 04:38 PM
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And VD cables doesn't use off the shelf copper wires?
You honestly think Rick casts his own magical fairy dust copper wires? Or better yet, he casts his own special brew garden hose?
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granted most of those sub $100 PC are basically cut from commercially available cables, put on the sleeve, and terminated. i.e. the actual cable is off-the-shelf much like what BJC does.
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There is detailed info on VH audio about their cable recipies in case you want to DIY them. I believe it is custom wire that they themselves sell.
As for signal cable, it is possible I suppose, but I doubt it. Their cables are hand made, but they manage to get by without hot glue as far as I can tell...
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