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Well, I hope none of those tiny little beads, which from the description are probably conductive, never work their way into the business end of the cable and cause a short, because that could get exciting!
Agreed. And according to Matt these are sand blast particle. Aren't they abrasive? Did VD do any safety study?
This is where UL listing comes in to ensure the cable safety. The cost of certification isn't very expensive. All $5 power cord has it and I don't see why $150 cable don't. I am sure VD can amortize the cost to the cable.
Secondly, conductors don't have to be made by fairy princesses, elves or Virtual Dynamics to be good.
I noticed you changed the description of the Power 3 to not show LiniPur conductors anymore. That was a concern of mine.
The hot glue is not really the issue, it's more an issue of the incorrect cable routing in the IEC housing and the fact that I could not inspect the wire routing in the 3 prong housing. I think the hot glue is probably the one of the safest ways to seal the metal dust from the raw terminations.
Agreed. And according to Matt these are sand blast particle. Aren't they abrasive? Did VD do any safety study?
If you can find out what media it is (it can be sand, glass, or metal) just do a google search + MSDS. The MSDS is the Material Safety Data Sheet lists all the possible side effects in coming into contact with said chemical or substance.
My guess would probably just be a mild lung irritant (purely guess) especially for any one with asthma and or allergies. I would not recommend vacuuming the material up either as most household vacuums don't come with HEPA filtration standard. All a vacuum will do is blow the particles back out into the air and possibly into a finer dust, also I would think sweeping would do the same thing.
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Is this an UT test report or a Walters Forensic Lab Test report? Also will you be kind enough to post the entire report. I did not have a chance to read the full report. Thanks in advance.
If you can find out what media it is (it can be sand, glass, or metal) just do a google search + MSDS. The MSDS is the Material Safety Data Sheet lists all the possible side effects in coming into contact with said chemical or substance.
My guess would probably just be a mild lung irritant (purely guess) especially for any one with asthma and or allergies. I would not recommend vacuuming the material up either as most household vacuums don't come with HEPA filtration standard. All a vacuum will do is blow the particles back out into the air and possibly into a finer dust, also I would think sweeping would do the same thing.
They're supposed to be iron or brass. My concern is it might seep into the power cable and cause a short. The abrasiveness could cause micro tear in the insulation and eventually can cause arcing or short (this could cause electrical shock to human touching it.)
They're supposed to be iron or brass. My concern is it might seep into the power cable and cause a short. The abrasiveness could cause micro tear in the insulation and eventually can cause arcing or short (this could cause electrical shock to human touching it.)
O yea I wasn't thinking that, I thought you meant from a health point lol...but yea I can see what your saying and that is a scary thought. Thus why I think allot of people where asking about the silly UL thing, and or safety studies.
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Hmm, if they're abrasive by nature, then that is a valid concern!
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Maybe Rick just hasn't seen/read all of Matt's posts?
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Really what did you expect? Haven't been dissecting any ~$150 power cords lately have you..? The power 3 give away was a gift, a story about how dynamic filtering can effect the sound.
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Only if I could post picks of the cables we dissected from trade.. So who wants to buy my gold chain cable for $500 bucks? It has $400 worth of gold in it, and platinum braided shielding. Who cares what it sounds like, it has expensive parts.
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The Basic and Power 3 tell the story of how you can take the simplest wire and by simply applying even sandblasting metal to the surrounding wire you can turn the once $50 cable into a $5000+ cable. If you want to build your own and hear the difference go right ahead. I really don't care, would save us a lot of trouble considering we don’t make a cent off them anyway. After you hear the difference you can crawl back to us begging for the real deal. Go ahead, dissect a David, I dare you.What's the big deal here? again what do you expect for $150 dollars? Or in most all your cases, FREE. BTW this is nothing new… Jude did this exact same thing years ago, and it's still around, people are still buying them, you know why?.. Because they sound dam good, and get substantially better as you move up our line. If any of you knew a thing or two you would know all cable companies are full of ****, and that Virtual Dynamics are as honest as they come, why? Because we are not a cable company, we are a technology company whos goal is to teach and educate.
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Ok so what would you expect for free then? That's exactly what this guy said, and look what become of that.
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But guess what, it wasn't..? Boohoo go make ur own.
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Our cables are rigorously tested. The comment was regarding irrelevant cosmetic issues. We try to do something nice and this is what we get?http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f97/so...er-3-a-283821/ Most here have no grounds to comment on maturity levels? You honestly think this whole thread passes a grade 2 level?
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What profit? Sandblasting is only used in the power 3 and Basic. Lets dissect another cable shall we? (Picture of cable workstation, cut for space)
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We carry exceptional customer service including myself. Just read around. But the fact is we aren't talking about customers here but rather MOT competitors, skeptics jumping at the opportunity to support them selves and they're beliefs, and people with nothing better to do. Wrong again buddy. Its size is to support the graduals that hold such a dramatic influence on the overall sound quality of the cable through the absorption of mechanically induced vibrations. https://www.virtualdynamics.ca/videos/
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Yes but does it sound better..?
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You want to know what real BS marketing is? Over priced market hyped pieces slapped together in a cable design that makes no sence what so ever. A cable that has no thought or true understanding to it, but a just a bunch of recognizable brand names..
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Do you really want to know what a hospital grade cable is? It's simply cable that has its male nickel plated so when they wash the walls, solution won't drip and corrode the terminates. Now how conductive is nickel? If you would rather not have the ends potted with glue, this can be done if you have some kind of phobia to the stuff? But I warn you, you'll only be taking away from its durability.
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Doesn't UL only certify up to 10 gauge? If so you need to ask yourself why. and what is UL really...That's why we ProtecX treat our ends. https://www.virtualdynamics.ca/Protecx/
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AAnnyway, thanks for the ruckus guys, was fun but I gota go sell some cables to real audiophiles now. I'm sure out of all this at least couple intelligent people read this (AKA potential customers). So, thanks guys. Cya!
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Na man, the cable's awsome. If you heard it you would know this. And by the way I'm not a fan of framing poor little kitty cats, shame on you.
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Brass (Pics of various stages of manufacture) Bronze (Pics of various stages of manufacture) Fines (Pics of various stages of manufacture) Sand blast (Pics of various stages of manufacture) Master LE! (Pics of various stages of manufacture) Busy bees (Pics of various stages of manufacture) The almighty (Pics of various stages of manufacture) Our very own Linipur conductors. (Pics of various stages of manufacture) (Pics of various stages of manufacture) (Pics of various stages of manufacture) (Pics of various stages of manufacture) Click here to see all.
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Cool Quick question, how did you burn-in the LE? Did you let your system just run 24/7?
Give it up, man. Get someone else to speak for your company. See ya, Steve
Let something other then your ass speak for you?
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Yep, fun fun fun..Now that the water's calm, you have any questions about our cables and their designs, feel free.
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Yup Check it out. (Pics of cables) (Pics of cables) Copper tin braid grounded over mag with dialectic and SUPER ferrite shields.
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Akathisia, mostly but not everyone. Good job though! Too bad once people actually hear our cables all this will mean nothing, and in the end only helped us.
If he gets the time, I think Rick might stop by to answer a couple questions.
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You know I don't like to look at myself as a sales person, or some kind of marketer. I am here to share my experiences and opinions with others. As most of you might know I lived on this forum for about 5 years before becoming Acoustic Chef. I hang out here still because I adore this community. I became a member of the VD team because I had too. After receiving one of their power cables to play with I fell in love and fought for ~6months to come hang out with the awesome crew here at VD, and I must say I am loving every second of it, while truly living the dream. Rick is the coolest guy you will ever meet and his cables are out of this world! As I type this Rick is skipping around the room modeling his new artic cat gear showing off the advances in ass protection. Now, Ragging on the cables is like ragging on my wife or kids because you think their ugly. And I REALLY don’t appreciate people hacking them to pieces and having their mutilated parts displayed in such a manner. I’m honest, and a true member of the community. Appreciate it.
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I've tried very hard to refrain from commenting (oh, it's hard), but honestly, I wouldn't want Acoustic Chef representing my firm on any internet forum or in any public place.