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03-30-2008, 08:26 PM
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We have been down this road before.
Someone offered to purchase a power cord up to $2k for bigshot to try, he turned it down do to his amp not having a removable power cord.
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03-31-2008, 01:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick82
I would never buy UL listed power cords because I don't want to pay more money for something that doesn't improve the sound at all...it is snake-oil, there is something wrong with the skeptics.
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Would you buy a car with seatbelts and airbags? They don't make the car go any faster.
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03-31-2008, 02:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick82
I paid for my Genesis.
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I enjoy your subjective anecdotal reviews. You know how to be entertaining.
See ya
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03-31-2008, 03:30 AM
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Probably had a very special price.
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03-31-2008, 07:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigshot
I have much more important things to do with my time than to chase down things like that.
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Sure ya do... like sit here and rip on products you've never listened to.
And if it's true that your amp doesn't have a removable power cord, why wouldn't you have just said that in the first place? (Of course that still has nothing to do with you being obstinate.)
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03-31-2008, 08:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick82
I paid for my Genesis.
But you have time to make 5000+ posts about cables being snake-oil?
I would never buy UL listed power cords because I don't want to pay more money for something that doesn't improve the sound at all...it is snake-oil, there is something wrong with the skeptics.
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03-31-2008, 08:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IPodPJ
Sure ya do... like sit here and rip on products you've never listened to.
And if it's true that your amp doesn't have a removable power cord, why wouldn't you have just said that in the first place? (Of course that still has nothing to do with you being obstinate.)
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In this thread ( Cable Eating Cat Hits Gizmodo) you said:
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ
At the moment, I'm quite upset with Virtual Dynamics (Rick Schultz in particular) but for an entirely different and completely justifiable reason (that has nothing to do with product quality or performance). Virtual Dynamics is falling apart at the seams; if they keep up their cavalier attitude towards customers, there won't be a Virtual Dynamics around to speak of in 2009. They managed to lose a good customer I brought them, which in turn cost me commission.
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(Emphasis added.)
Were you earning commissions without revealing yourself to be a Member of the Trade?
Do you still work for Virtual Dynamics?
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03-31-2008, 09:38 AM
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Hmmm... I listened to my Testament 2.0 Coaxial Digital cable and it really does make a difference.
Perhaps its only the VD power cables that are built this way?
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03-31-2008, 11:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Erik
In this thread ( Cable Eating Cat Hits Gizmodo) you said:
(Emphasis added.)
Were you earning commissions without revealing yourself to be a Member of the Trade?
Do you still work for Virtual Dynamics?
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Cant wait for ipodPJs response to this one hahaha
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03-31-2008, 12:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Erik
In this thread ( Cable Eating Cat Hits Gizmodo) you said:
(Emphasis added.)
Were you earning commissions without revealing yourself to be a Member of the Trade?
Do you still work for Virtual Dynamics?
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IPodPJ works in an audio store... It's his job to recommend equipment to clients. I doubt he's earning commission from VD.
Correction: IPodPJ does not work in an audio store and never has! I had mistaken him for someone else.
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Reason: Added correction.
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03-31-2008, 12:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fraseyboy
Hmmm... I listened to my Testament 2.0 Coaxial Digital cable and it really does make a difference.
Perhaps its only the VD power cables that are built this way?
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Only the Power3 FraseyBoy ...
Other cables uses linipur (1 conductor instead multi twisted).
Power3 use a standard wire but it's in a damping material (dynamic filtering)
DIY'er can try a normal wire and use a RenoDepot house and fill it with sand to see what happening.
The Power3 is sold 99$ ...
I heard Power3 vs my Nite and Master and another brand... Power3 was the cheeper price and It's good. I guess the biggest difference come from the dynamic filtering.
HighEnd dac put a lot of effort to try to minimize the mechanical vibration ... (in DAC .. no moving parts) but they take in consideration (a lot) vibrations.
If your powercable do a part of the job, I think it's a good thing.
Virtual Dynamic should put in circulation Power3 with and without the dynamic filtering material.
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03-31-2008, 03:47 PM
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Quote:
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Here are my constructive suggestions.
It's simple to convince me to consider your product. If you want me to try it out, provide objective testing that indicates a significant improvement... for instance an independently conducted double blind test of your cable against a range of low, medium and high end competitors.
Then, once you have objectively proved the superiority of your product, test to find out exactly why it works the way it does, measure the degree of improvement, and explain all of that to me clearly without exaggeration or sales pitch.
You're not going to convince me by seeding the forum with lots of subjective anecdotal opinions that describe sound in poetic vague terms and have no scientific explanation for what they observe. Your marketing campaign of providing freebee cables in exchange for reviews makes me totally suspicious of the validity of any reviews I see of your product, because of the lack of disclosure of the relationship between your company and the individual reviewers . A 90 day no questions asked money back guarantee is a much better way to allow people to try the products than throwing freebees around. And a hands off approach to reviewers will make me put more credence in what I hear about your products on this forum.
You have a bit of a public relations job to do though. The people way the official representatives of VD on this forum have behaved in the past have pretty much made me write your whole company off. Pricing your products in line with normal business markups of consumer products would help too.
See ya
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Interestingly enough I have the preliminary results of a DBT of our interconnects in my email inbox. We won't be presenting them until the middle of May (once the paper is finished) but it shows a definite correlation between the dynamic filtering and SOL (magnet) technologies and an increase in slew rate.
I realize that just having my word on it isn't gonna be good anough for anyone, it wouldn't be good enough for me... Which is why we are putting in the money and time to have them tested by a third party (which doesn't mean we are paying to have them tested... the testing is being done for free, the money is the investment of materials, shipping, plane tickets to go down and film the results, ect.)
So yeah, if that is really all it is gonna take Bigshot, then I expect a sales order from you to be crossing Rita's desk within 3 months or so... assuming that you aren't misrepresenting your position. There does remain the possibility, however, that you aren't actually interested in improving your sound and your components, but intellectually invested in stroking your ego on this board. I'm going to be generous and assume you actually meant what you said... ;-)
Additionally, when you talk about our markups, do you want us to increase the price? Because if we were to bring our cables in line with other products in our industry we would have to double our current listed retail, at a minimum. Production cost is something we are trying quite hard to reduce, but getting the cables built in China just doesn't seem like a viable idea for us.
The best way for us to bring production costs, and therefore the price to our end user, down at this point is for us to increase our volume, which means increasing market share. We're working on that.
-Brad
PS. The results will be out sometime after May 5th.
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03-31-2008, 04:04 PM
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Quote:
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IPodPJ works in an audio store... It's his job to recommend equipment to clients. I doubt he's earning commission from VD.
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Those are his words taken directly from his post. If he is earning commissions from audio companies, he is a Member of the Trade.
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03-31-2008, 10:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Erik
Those are his words taken directly from his post. If he is earning commissions from audio companies, he is a Member of the Trade.
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Also i didnt even know that virtual dynamics had dealers.. i thought they were only internet direct for now??
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03-31-2008, 11:46 PM
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