My cat tore up my Virtual Dynamics Power 3...

[Wmcmanus]

Here's what I said a couple of pages ago in case anyone missed it:

Originally Posted by Wmcmanus

I'm going to leave this thread alone and not delete any posts.

I would simply ask that we (meaning all parties involved as well as those that are not involved) agree to move on and get back to a productive discussion.

If there are any side discussions or apology exchanges that need to take place, I'd ask that you do so via PM. Should a happy ending result from that, then the lovebirds can report back about how they kissed and made up.

It's quite obvious, actually, that several people did miss it, which I can understand because when you're following a thread you don't necessarily read every post before reacting again.

But I'll ask again, PLEASE, let's move on from this! I've just deleted a bunch of posts that were made since my above quoted post, where people were still trying to slug it out.

markl is now Ok about it:

Originally Posted by markl

As for Mr. Akathisia, in discussing things off-line, we have agreed that sometimes what you type and what you mean can be two different things as well as what was typed and was read. I think we're cool now, but I'll speak for myself.

Akathisia is now Ok about it:

Originally Posted by Akathisia

No hard feelings between markl and I. We took the discussion out of this thread, and away from public view, as Wmcmanus requested. I think everyone else should heed our mods words, or this thread will get closed.

Now that they're Ok about it, I'm Ok about it. I ask that everyone else agree to be Ok about it, even if you're not, or... see above.

[MontyPythizzle]

Originally Posted by furball

Actually that's just what I was thinking. Even though I bought 2 pairs of banana plugs along with the speaker wires, if it turns out to be too much of a hassle to terminate the wires, I may just end up keeping those wires naked.

Wait! Why would you go through another solder/connection point? Virtual Dynamics CLEARLY states that it will create mechanical/harmonic/.... noise..1!?!!? Also, they frown upon stranded cable.

[subtle]

Originally Posted by spyder187

I've had the David RCA Interconnects and the Revelation Signature RCA interconnect (used for digital). For the David, the music sounded louder, I guess there was more dynamics. As for the Revelation Signature, I did not hear a huge enough difference to justify the cost, plus it didn't help that VD sent me the wrong length of cable and when I returned it, they paid me back via Paypal instead of refunding the money, so Paypal collected a bunch of money both ways. I didn't understand this well because VD loses out on fees when they received the cable, and I lost out on fees when they paid me back, when they could have saved on their fees. Anyways I digress.

I feel that cables are for those who feel that the cost justifies the difference. If you've got money and a $20,000-100,000 difference, then I guess you could dabble with the $5000 cables. But for most of us normal folk, upgrading our headphones/speakers, etc will make much more of a worthwhile difference imo plus most of us don't have such high end systems either.

One of the reasons I've heard for not hearing a substantial difference, is the fact that my system isn't revealing enough, etc. And when you contact them, they will do all they can to say how the cable will blow you away and all that. It's all a part of marketing. If they can get you to believe that you should hear a difference, then placebo effect may kick in and you'll hear one whether you like it or not.

The fact that the power cables were shown to be made out of cheap materials should only further justify spending money elsewhere first before putting it into these "little things". Either way, in the end you should enjoy the music coming from your system first and foremost.

Best post in this thread, and yeah I just love that line.

If you can't hear the magic these sand pebbles create, it's because you don't have the power cord plugged in to an APL NWO.

BTW, I love VD's slogan on their website with the made up word "Infront". Irony is good stuff sometimes.

[Akathisia]

I know you are being sarcastic subtle. But, the above 'line' is exactly why I HAVE MADE NO STATEMENTS ON THE CLAIMED EFFECTS OF THE CABLE in this thread.

[c0mfortably_numb]

Originally Posted by MontyPythizzle

Wait! Why would you go through another solder/connection point? Virtual Dynamics CLEARLY states that it will create mechanical/harmonic/.... noise..1!?!!? Also, they frown upon stranded cable.

I really don't believe in connectors either, and feel bare wire offers the best connection, but not because of vibration. If you add a plug to your wire, it's just another kink in the chain IMHO... We really need to start a thread for this topic, so we don't derail this thread to far. Sorry op for these OT replies.

Also I don't get why they don't like stranded cable, the Belden I have is stranded but really thick copper (need gloves to twist the cable, unless you like bloody fingers) I can't see a more expensive solid core cable making much more of a difference.

[dvw]

Originally Posted by c0mfortably_numb

Also I don't get why they don't like stranded cable, the Belden I have is stranded but really thick copper (need gloves to twist the cable, unless you like bloody fingers) I can't see a more expensive solid core cable making much more of a difference.

Actually, really thick cable is pointless. The current density concentrated on the surface of the conductor (skin effect). The question is how deep is this skin. At low frequency (AC), the depth can be quite deep. Someone else might want to calculate this. But that depth is finite, at some point the center core of the cable will not conduct any current.

[IPodPJ]

I'm confused (but that's nothing new. )

During the cable contests, Matt said Virtual Dynamics was hurting for sales and couldn't really afford the giveaways. If you participated in the contest, you know well what happened (and how angry some of us got). If you didn't, you might want to check out their sponsored forum and read the digital cable giveaway thread. And now I see this on their website:



Record breaking month, eh? Doesn't sound to me like they are hurting for sales.

Honesty is the best policy, you know. When you are honest, you don't have to worry about keeping track of the stories you tell people.

It really saddens me that a company with such great sounding products has to resort to shady marketing tactics. I think Rick needs to come here and set the record straight (if he shares the same views or not). Maybe not everyone at the company has the same modus operandi. I'm really disappointed, Matt.

[c0mfortably_numb]

Originally Posted by IPodPJ

I'm confused (but that's nothing new. )

During the cable contests, Matt said Virtual Dynamics was hurting for sales and couldn't really afford the giveaways. If you participated in the contest, you know well what happened (and how angry some of us got). If you didn't, you might want to check out their sponsored forum and read the digital cable giveaway thread. And now I see this on their website:



Record breaking month, eh? Doesn't sound to me like they are hurting for sales.

Honesty is the best policy, you know. When you are honest, you don't have to worry about keeping track of the stories you tell people.

It really saddens me that a company with such great sounding products has to resort to shady marketing tactics. I think Rick needs to come here and set the record straight (if he shares the same views or not). Maybe not everyone at the company has the same modus operandi. I'm really disappointed, Matt.

Maybe someone here should email a link of this thread to one of the others at Virtual Dynamics, here is there contact us page with all the email addresses.

[Akathisia]

Originally Posted by Edwood

#2. Re: Strain Relief.
This pic alarms me the most.


If the OP hasn't closed it up yet can you remove the wires from the strain relief and see if the insulation has been broken through to the bare conductors? Whether or not this cable would even pass UL certification, I do not know, but I wouldn't personally like my power wires to have the hot and neutral lines crushed next to each other, that's a short circuit and fire waiting to happen. Although it's difficult to see in the pic. I would prefer that the hot and neutral lines be farther away from each other in the strain relief clamp, with at least the ground line in between them.

I pulled the strain relief cap off of the IEC side of this cable and the green wire was smashed flat, but no conductor was visible. I don't want to be accused of making this sound worse than it is, but it is almost surprising how flattened the pvc casing is around this wire is, and it did not tear.

[Acoustic Chef]

Akathisia, mostly but not everyone. Good job though!

Too bad once people actually hear our cables all this will mean nothing, and in the end only helped us.