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02-05-2008, 04:33 AM
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Best thread ever, period.
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02-05-2008, 04:36 AM
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Oh, absolutely, it's just the whole idea of reverse-engineering and posting details of how a commercial product is made that isn't always liked. Personally, I see no problems with it.
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02-05-2008, 04:37 AM
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HUH?!?!?! 
So my Testament 2.0 is made of the same stuff...
But... But... But.... I SWEAR it makes the sound better 
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02-05-2008, 04:39 AM
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So my Testament 2.0 is made of the same stuff...
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Yes, and who says that a "standard" cable can't sound nice?  Oh, and placebo has been measured to change perception 
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I am sure their Genesis is made of the same LHHN wire..., just 6 gauge. This also pretty much throws out markl's reviews (build quality of 7 on VD cables, are you kidding? Hot glue and electrical tape?!). This really changes everything. People claim that this cable "sounds" better than cables that are actually well made with quality materials, therefore, it has to all be thrown out because of placebo. This thread makes me happy.
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02-05-2008, 04:45 AM
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Oh, absolutely, it's just the whole idea of reverse-engineering and posting details of how a commercial product is made that isn't always liked. Personally, I see no problems with it.
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What the OP has done is akin to opening the case on a CD player... nothing wrong with that. I don't see cause for deletion.
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Want to see the inside of my Rotel CD player? I guarantee the manufacturer's specifications are exactly what is on the inside of it. Unlike audiophile companies who claim BS and often don't post jack about what is really inside it. Goldmund is a good example...(Remember the 6000gbp rebranded Pioneer budget DVD player?). The entire audiophile industry (with, of course, several exceptions, more smaller companies) is built on lies and deceit.
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02-05-2008, 04:53 AM
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I had no intention of reverse engineering the cable.
I had the Power 3 plugged into my computer this week while I waited to do some testing (I don't have any decent gear right now).
First test was my buddies 50" Plasma, since Acoustic Chef said you will see a difference in Picture Quality.
Second test was recording some things in my other buddies basement recording studio. Using the cable on the recording equipment, and also on his Bogner amp (which would probably be the most Hi-Fi piece of equipment I have access to).
I don't really see a reason to do this now.
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02-05-2008, 04:54 AM
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$150 sales price is a reasonable markup on the $15 raw cost.
15 (raw cost) + $15 (0.5hr labor) + overhead (20% of sales) = $60 cost
EBITA = $70; net income = 60% EBITA = $42 or 28% of sales.
seems fair to me.
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02-05-2008, 04:59 AM
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Headphoneus Supremus:
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Makes audio cables using super-advanced materials, like "some clear tape" and "some not so clear tape."
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Well you can't anyway because you can't put it back together?
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Wow, I figured that a nice cable wouldn't really make much difference, so long as the cable you had been using wasn't just oxidized copper or something of the like in terrible shape, but I didn't think they would be worse than what you already had. Of course this is just one manufacturer, and maybe this was an off cable, but that is giving them the benefit of the doubt, that's for sure.
Even still, this post further proved that...
1. These fancy power cables (probably the higher end interconnects as well) are really overpriced.
2. The stuff that goes into these is absolutely nothing special that a diy-er can't do for much less.
Good stuff OP, good stuff.
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I don't really see the point in doing tests. I would definitely be subject to expectation bias now.
Anyways, I'm a little disenchanted with the whole situation.
I wish it would have at least had matched connectors rated at 20 amps, or conductors that weren't smashed (that just blows my mind).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Akathisia
I don't really see the point in doing tests. I would definitely be subject to expectation bias now.
Anyways, I'm a little disenchanted with the whole situation.
I wish it would have at least had matched connectors rated at 20 amps, or conductors that weren't smashed (that just blows my mind).
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Most connectors are rated at 10 or 15 amps. I think the 20 amp connectors have horizontal pins so they don't fit standard equipment.
About the conductors being smashed, yep, that's what we call strain-relief.
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