Headphone Miracle!

[Dusty Chalk]

Originally posted by MacDEF
P.S. Audio&Me, the V6 don't have bloated bass -- they really do have fairly tight, and very extended bass. The Etys are the only headphones I've heard that have bass as extended/flat as the V6. Compared to the V6, the HD600 do roll off. Compared to most other headphones on the market, they don't Unfortunately, all the V6 really have is that impressive bass. Their treble and midrange are smoked by most other "good" headphones.

Okay, here's my pet peeve -- people stating their opinions...erm...hearing perspectives in the absolute as opposed to the relative. I completely agree with the school that says that the V6's sounds...herm, how do I state this as non-antagonistically as possible...above average in the bass. And the Senn HD600's as below average. I still think the Beyer DT770 beat them both in terms of being "just right". To my ears.

[Audio-Me]

Senn HD600 below average bass? That's absurd.

[MacDEF]

No kidding "Below average?" In terms of all the cans I've heard, the HD600 are CLEARLY above average. In fact, of all the cans I've ever heard, only the V6 and some of the Beyers have more extended/flat bass.

You rarely hear people complain that the HD600 have too little bass -- most people who *do* criticize their bass say they have too much.

In fact, most of the people who have actually heard the DT770 (I haven't) have also claimed them to have "a lot" of bass.

But I heard the V6 bass as being pretty flat; a lot of studio people also feel they are very flat in the bass, as well. I tend to believe them. I've also seen graphs of the V6/7506, which show them to be very flat, especially compared to other cans.

[Joe Bloggs]

Compared to my other headphones--EX70 and Aiwa HP-X225--the Senn 580 has below average bass

I've also seen graphs of the V6/7506

Where? Where? *Drools and agitates like a rabid dog* Except in the V6/7506/SR80 comparison that is

[fredpb]

Anyway.

I scream about the HD600's because I do like them. I wanted them to be perfect. I have never heard any other headphone like them. Now that I have a "good" amp for them, and the Clou Red's, I can listen on my recliner, drooling with a big smile on my face, and listen to my music.

Now the problem is my jealous bird. See Avatar. She has now discovered I am paying attention to the headphones and not her.
The devious little thing she is, she goes to the top of my head and picks at the headband for attention. Sometimes the white cables of the Clou. Grrrr. When I pick up my headphones she jumps to my ears, bites them, and says "hello" repeatedly.
She does not want me to pay attention to the headphones. I paid attention to the tv remove, and she ate the buttons off.
Siighhhh..kids...even feathered ones!

[Audio-Me]

Joe - you are comparing the Sennheiser HD580s (an open design headphone) bass characteristics to two completely different types of cans, closed and canal phones. Both are isolated, thus create a dry sound (sometimes resonant) and don't have to move as much air. This is where a "seal" comes into play. Bass might seem to be punchier on closed headphones simply due to the nature of them. But I think that this is a matter of personal perception...

freddy - lol! Take her to a bird trainer.

[Hirsch]

Originally posted by DustyChalk
And the Senn HD600's as below average

600's bass below average??

When's the last time you rolled tubes in the RKV?

Slightly more seriously, I've been rolling tubes in the ZOTL, and am getting much closer to the "right" ones. The ZOTL with Sylvania 6SN7 GTB's can take the 600 very deep with very tight definition.

[Dusty Chalk]

I knew I was going to get jumped all over for that statement, but my point was, we each hear things differently. That doesn't make my points any less valid than any of yours, just because it's a less popular one.

And just to qualify -- I did not mean in terms of extension, I only meant in terms of overall amplitude.

And I also did not mean by much. We're getting down to the nitty gritty here. I think the Beyer DT770's, the Senn HD600's, and the Sony MDRV6/7506's all have some pretty damn fine bass extension, and, depending how you like them, response. The main reason I hate the Sony's -- for pleasurable listening, not for monitoring -- so much is because of their forwardness. I could definitely live with the slightly exaggerated bass, as it's still pretty tight, and I like bass anyway.

[Dusty Chalk]

Originally posted by Hirsch
600's bass below average??

When's the last time you rolled tubes in the RKV?

Um, first of all, your point is not valid, since this comparison was all done on the same amps (I compared RKV against RKV and MF against MF).

Secondly, there isn't as much tube-rolling going on with the RKV, since the stock tubes are so good, and since replacements are so hard to find. Remind me to tell you the story of what happened to those four quads of PCL805's that I bought from templeboy. Alright, never mind, I'll tell you now -- they got crunched. And that was one of my best "finds". The only other tubes I've found for them were some Mullards, and they...kinda sucked (totally distort with any bass). Fun for blues and Buzzcocks and other electric guitar based music, but sucked for anything else.

[MacDEF]

Originally posted by DustyChalk
That doesn't make my points any less valid than any of yours, just because it's a less popular one.

I didn't mean that it was But *do* think it's fair to disagree with you about the HD600 being "below average" in bass response. That's something we can actually measure, right? (Bass extension and flatness, that is.) I think that if you take all the "good" headphones (the models most here would consider to be the better headphones available) you wouldn't find the HD600 in the "below average" group. That's all I was saying.

And I also did not mean by much. We're getting down to the nitty gritty here. I think the Beyer DT770's, the Senn HD600's, and the Sony MDRV6/7506's all have some pretty damn fine bass extension, and, depending how you like them, response.

Good point.