Headphone Miracle! - Page 2 - Head-Fi: Covering Headphones, Earphones and Portable Audio

fredpb · 02-01-2002, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Audio&Me
Wha?? Lack of bass? I take it you were prior used to the "Sony sound"?

The Clou cables did make the bass more intense, but I didn't notice an increase in the amount of bass. The imaging improved a bit, sounds a little bright (barely, I like it dark) but tolerable when plugged into the MG Head.

No, I don't know what Sony sound is...but I can imagine.

My other components produce low end bass when it is there.
Speakers to within 2db at 28hz are capable. The Sony's I own are not boomy, but reproduce bass when it is there. The HD600's with standard cable did NOT.

The Clou even improved the sound when a Cheap Onkyo receiver is used! Output volume on the receiver is excellent, although the low end is not as dramatic as the MG Head setup.

Stiffness is a problem. The cable takes some getting used to.

Jon Beilin · 02-01-2002, 01:04 AM

The clous are not necessarily bright, but tonally focused on the high end.

The clou cables have more good than bad, but there is still bad... jude articulates it better than I do in his cardas comparison.

Audio-Me · 02-01-2002, 03:15 AM

fredpb - I feel the same way Neruda does, because from my experience, the Sennheiser HD600 produces plenty of bass even with the stock cables. Perhaps you're just not picking up on it because the sound is so different from your other headphones? There is considerably less impact with the stock cables than with the Clous, but the low end is still there.

Beilin - you worded that perfectly, tonally focused on the highs. But I don't think there are any bad to the Clou, just unfavorable to certain preferences.

fredpb · 02-01-2002, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by Audio&Me
fredpb - I feel the same way Neruda does, because from my experience, the Sennheiser HD600 produces plenty of bass even with the stock cables. Perhaps you're just not picking up on it because the sound is so different from your other headphones? There is considerably less impact with the stock cables than with the Clous, but the low end is still there.

Beilin - you worded that perfectly, tonally focused on the highs. But I don't think there are any bad to the Clou, just unfavorable to certain preferences.

With my system, HD600's, ear's, and stock cables, bass is seriously lacking.

I have a number of test CD's. One is "Modern Cool", by Patricia Barber. On anything I try, there is too much bass. Can't even listen to it with Sony 7506's or any speakers I have. But with the HD600's, the CD sounds fine, because it has little bass.

I have state my opinions on this

but I am sure others will have different opinions, and different hearing.

Joe Bloggs · 02-01-2002, 08:39 AM

You base your opinion on the HD600 sounding *right* with your test albums when everything else sounds like *boom*???

Do they actually sound *light* with your other albums then? Or not??

Have you considered the possibility that the HD600s are right and everthing else you own are wrong?

Sorry, just had to ask.

Audio-Me · 02-01-2002, 10:29 AM

Lol, that's exactly what I was thinking.

Joe Bloggs · 02-01-2002, 12:04 PM

Great minds think alike heh?

But to be fair, if his V6s sounded like they had too much bass in most of his recordings I suppose he would have said so?

Audio-Me · 02-01-2002, 04:30 PM

Not exactly, like I said, he could be so used to the bass characteristics of his Sonys that he isn't recognising the low end through the stock cables, but does with the Clous because they give more impact (they drill the bass into him,

"you wan't bass? Well here it is!")

Beagle · 02-01-2002, 05:02 PM

Geez, I thought there was too much bass with the stock cable...

I think the Senn stock cable is litz wire, which has a characteristic of lack of bass. I would assume Sennheiser used this to reduce the bloat of the driver/pad combo.

Of course some people think McDonalds fries don't have enough salt, it's all a matter of taste, I guess.

The clous are not necessarily bright, but tonally focused on the high end

Isn't that sort of the same thing? I guess the Clou is not neutral then? I guess we are playing around mixing and matching colorations to find "neutral", I find that frustrating.

jude · 02-01-2002, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Beagle
I guess we are playing around mixing and matching colorations to find "neutral", I find that frustrating.

It's my opinion that that's what we generally do in the hobby of hi-fi and head-fi.

Toe your speakers in. Toe them out. Swap interconnects. Swap source components, DAC's, power cords, preamps, amps, etc. And now head-fi'ers (Sennheiser ones at least) have a few different headphone cables to choose from (it's about time -- none of our speakers have fixed cables going into them).

Most people tune the sound of their rigs to their preferences. And if I'm convinced my rig sounds neutral, but someone listens to it and says it's overly warm or overly bright (and so anything but neutral), who's right?

Me!