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| Cables, Power, Tweaks, Speakers, Accessories (DBT-Free Forum) Discussion of cables, power (the electric kind), tweaks, & accessories. |
10-31-2007, 10:52 AM
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I'm not really sure what you're saying.
The whole post provides context for the last paragraph. I am arguing that we should discourage the thinking in newbies that a $$$ tweak will improve a cheap system - cheap systems need upgrades to improve them.
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I am just saying that if I was to ever spend that much money I'd expect the price i and others paid to go into R&D on how to get the best that you can get out of the box. I see what you mean by upgrading but with the best gear you shouldn't need to tweak it to get it to it's absolute highest potential.
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I have never said that I think anybody should buy 'fancy wooden blocks'.
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I think we should call them Magical wooden blocks.
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10-31-2007, 11:40 AM
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I think we are on the same page, just taking a different line.
Unfortunately, it is possible that I have never had a system good enough to benefit from tweaks. I have a medium range amp, speakers and source. I still believe that I would be better spending my money saving for higher quality speakers.
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10-31-2007, 06:01 PM
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i love how people debate endlessly the effectiveness or lack thereof of a tweak - but never actually try it.
seems rather pointless to me.
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10-31-2007, 06:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vcoheda
i love how people debate endlessly the effectiveness or lack thereof of a tweak - but never actually try it.
seems rather pointless to me.
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As i stated before in this thread; people that don't actually tried the tweaks themselfs are not taken seriously by me. Some people are just arguing for the sake of arguing!
Yes, there are worse and better fibration reduction systems out there.
But to claim none of them work is rediculous, especially when you never tried one yourself!
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10-31-2007, 06:19 PM
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ok there bud.
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Depends on the fibration reduction system. As you can see in the link provided somewhere in this thread, some have more impact then others.
Yes, i wouldn't spend much on fibration reduction if it is seen as an upgrade. Those things have always to be seen as final tweaks! If you're satisfied with the sound and think it could be a little better, then fibration reduction is your best bet. If you plan on getting significant better sound, get a new cdplayer!
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10-31-2007, 06:24 PM
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I have a great tweak for you! This increases the air around instruments, expands the soundstage and extends the frequency response beyond the range of hearing. All you have to do is strip down to your underwear and stand on your head in front of your speakers while they're playing. I don't know why it works- it just works! Don't knock it until you've tried it!
And please post pictures.
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That is not actually putting something under the cdplayer to try to reduce fibration in the pickup system and is just another idiotic BigShot comment.
If you don't have anyhting serious to contribute, why spend so much time in this thread?!
Standing on your head will not gain any significant improvement on sound, not at any price, it is not proven it will make sound better, price is not relevant for this kind of standing on your head tweaks and is a waste of time and money! I bet standing on your head is inaudible!
In this case also waste of time and server diskspace.
Actually there was a university paper on fibration reduction in cd players and they concluded that fibration reduction was for 70% responcable of the sound.
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10-31-2007, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tourmaline
fibration reduction was for 70% responcable of the sound.
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You know what? You are very silly. You're becoming serious competition for Patrick!
See ya
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P.S. I bet you're trying the "standing on the head tweak" right now!
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10-31-2007, 09:45 PM
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I have seen many tweaks for cd players. I used to place a towel underneath my old cd player. I have also seen one that involved a block of wood placed on top of the center of the player never did it though. I am not saying the wood blocks don't work I am just saying you can get them much much cheaper than every one is.
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11-01-2007, 12:13 AM
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i love how people debate endlessly the effectiveness or lack thereof of a tweak - but never actually try it.
seems rather pointless to me.
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Most people would prefer not to waste their money.
BTW, wanna buy some pebbles in a jar?
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Most people would prefer not to waste their money.
BTW, wanna buy some pebbles in a jar?
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If they remove vibration from my cdplayer, why not.
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11-01-2007, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bigshot
You know what? You are very silly. You're becoming serious competition for Patrick!
See ya
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P.S. I bet you're trying the "standing on the head tweak" right now!
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The only one being silly is you. You ARE the patrick of sceptics!
Instead of constantly making stupid remarks, i read technical papers. I know they are a bit to hard for you to understand....Maybe if you stand on your head.....
By the way, the university paper was about vibration reduction in cdplayer laserpickup systems. NOT about woodblocks but i used it to make clear that vibration reduction in a cdplayer is very important.
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11-01-2007, 01:58 AM
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What in blazes is fibration?
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11-01-2007, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jsaliga
What in blazes is fibration?
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Same as vibration only spelled incorrect.
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11-01-2007, 02:42 AM
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incorrectLY
See ya
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P.S. If vibration causes so many problems, why can you turn most CD players on their sides while they're playing without any error?
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11-01-2007, 12:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vcoheda
i love how people debate endlessly the effectiveness or lack thereof of a tweak - but never actually try it.
seems rather pointless to me.
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Certainly from my perspective, most of these tweaks seem to cost far more than they appear to be worth. Whatever happened to the kind of tweaks that had the potential to make a difference, but cost almost nothing; tweaks like wrapping blue tack around your electrolytic capacitors, or screws, nuts and ballbearings for isolation feet, or slabs of offcut granite under your turntable (or perhaps amp) to minimise vibration.
I for one don't want to spend $$$ on something that I am not convinced will make adifference to my audio experience.
I try not to argue about whether these audiophile tweaks work or not.
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