Wow! Sansa Fuze- color me impressed- Fuze appreciation thread

[Robisan]

Originally Posted by RAQemUP

The higher the bitrate, the more power the DAP requires to play it. Playing a song off the microsd card is what the sucks battery. The size of the card has nothing to do with it.

Of course, a larger card will increase the proportion of total data played from the card, so a larger card will use the battery faster.

[deadly55]

I've been loving mine... has anyone noticed the really finicky head phone jack.. i used to transfer my headphones from computer to the fuze quite often... and then all of a sudden and bump on the cable would knock out the left or right side of my headphones.. so then i used isopropyl alcohol to clean it and that fixed it.

[average_joe]

Never had any problems with the HP jack.

[deadly55]

hmm odd.. it did it again, once again fixed it doing it again.

[Earwax]

Can you try a different headphone in order to find out if it is actually the headphone jack or if it's the headphone's plug?

[deadly55]

it's the jack as my er6is it was happening with them too.

[andyk]

Do a search for headphone jack problem on the Fuze. It's on here and the Sansa Forums.

If you pull the plug out SLIGHTLY, does it work normal?

A work around that some people came up with is using some kind of spacer/washer around the male appendage of the plug to prevent (ever so slightly) full insertion of the plug.

Insert off color jokes here.

[dallan]

^^I read that too, way earlier in this thread it was discussed with that solution but i never had that problem, i use an ALO patch to my Pico amp. Some headphones didn't seem to have that problem because they didn't insert so deeply others needed a very small spacer/washer.

[Woody469]

Originally Posted by upstateguy

Hi Planar

Clie is right, and if IRC the line out dock feature was supported from the very beginning... although there is little reason for using a line out over the headphone jack unless you're using an actual "Dock".

I continue to feel that the descriptions of increased SQ over the headphone out jack have been overly optimistic and border on placebo effect. The supposed improvements in signal to noise ratio and THD are only fractions of a percent better at best, because both the signals are generated digitally from the same chip (PM SansaFix for the exact numbers) and are probably unnoticeable after passing through the friction plug connection, the solder joints, the caps and resistors of a line out docking cable and then the electronics of a portable amp. YMMV

USG

I'm not trying to be disrespectful but have you even listened to the Fuze using its LOD? I would bet the farm and the farm animals you haven't. I've been lucky enough to get my hands on what I feel is a superb LOD for the Fuze and the difference between using the HP Out and the LOD is literally night and day.
Not only that but I've been able to test it with all my portable amps and its actually been very revealing of each amp's "sonic signiature" For example, Ray Samuels himself suggests people "NOT" couple his amps to a digital device unless they are using a "quality LOD" and warns of the inferior connection users will suffer if they use the headphone out jack.

PS Before anyone runs out and does damage to their fuze with that rockbox thing just remember, THE FUZE LOD ALREADY WORKS WITH ITS PRESENT FIRMWARE. For gapless music I just use my Red Wine Audio modified ipod or as it is better known, my iMod.

Maybe I missed something here and I hope the insinuation I am addressing here is not the LOD/HP out debate. Thats pretty much a no-brainer so it must be the Sansa Fuze LOD vs HP Out debate? Feel free to enlighten me. Respectfully submitted.

[Woody469]

Originally Posted by prone2phone

i noticed some flacs are prepared badly, so they can sound worst than a good ripped 320kbps mp3, on the other hand, there is nothing better than a good >800kbps FLAC on the Fuze, IMO

AMEN Couldn't agree more

[Mr_Junesequa]

Hold the phone

theres an LOD for the fuze?

[Woody469]

Originally Posted by Mr_Junesequa

Hold the phone

theres an LOD for the fuze?

Yes, PM if you'd like to know more.

[yukihiro]

Originally Posted by Woody469

I'm not trying to be disrespectful but have you even listened to the Fuze using its LOD? I would bet the farm and the farm animals you haven't. I've been lucky enough to get my hands on what I feel is a superb LOD for the Fuze and the difference between using the HP Out and the LOD is literally night and day.
Not only that but I've been able to test it with all my portable amps and its actually been very revealing of each amp's "sonic signiature" For example, Ray Samuels himself suggests people "NOT" couple his amps to a digital device unless they are using a "quality LOD" and warns of the inferior connection users will suffer if they use the headphone out jack.

PS Before anyone runs out and does damage to their fuze with that rockbox thing just remember, THE FUZE LOD ALREADY WORKS WITH ITS PRESENT FIRMWARE. For gapless music I just use my Red Wine Audio modified ipod or as it is better known, my iMod.

Maybe I missed something here and I hope the insinuation I am addressing here is not the LOD/HP out debate. Thats pretty much a no-brainer so it must be the Sansa Fuze LOD vs HP Out debate? Feel free to enlighten me. Respectfully submitted.

I'd have to completely agree with you here. If you feed an amp with the Fuze's headphone out, it sounds really different from feeding it from the line out. I agree that you actually get to hear the amp's sonic signature. When I used the LOD with my PA2V2, it was the first time I actually heard what people were talking about.

I've said this before, but I'll mention it again. When using a LOD to the AUX of my car, the sound is a lot cleaner. The difference is much more noticeable through good headphones as well as my car stereo system.

I now know why people say not to double amp.

[upstateguy]

Originally Posted by Woody469

I'm not trying to be disrespectful but have you even listened to the Fuze using its LOD? I would bet the farm and the farm animals you haven't. I've been lucky enough to get my hands on what I feel is a superb LOD for the Fuze and the difference between using the HP Out and the LOD is literally night and day.
Not only that but I've been able to test it with all my portable amps and its actually been very revealing of each amp's "sonic signiature" For example, Ray Samuels himself suggests people "NOT" couple his amps to a digital device unless they are using a "quality LOD" and warns of the inferior connection users will suffer if they use the headphone out jack.

PS Before anyone runs out and does damage to their fuze with that rockbox thing just remember, THE FUZE LOD ALREADY WORKS WITH ITS PRESENT FIRMWARE. For gapless music I just use my Red Wine Audio modified ipod or as it is better known, my iMod.

Maybe I missed something here and I hope the insinuation I am addressing here is not the LOD/HP out debate. Thats pretty much a no-brainer so it must be the Sansa Fuze LOD vs HP Out debate? Feel free to enlighten me. Respectfully submitted.

Excuse me, what part of "search the thread before you shoot off your mouth" were you having trouble with?

By the time the signal passes through the friction plug connection, the solder joints, the caps and resistors of your line out docking cable and then through the electronics of your portable amps, all you are hearing are the deficiencies of your portables. If you try listening with a M^3 or GS-1 with some 650s or 880s you will quickly realize that there is no noticeable difference between the LO signal and headphone jack signal.

SansaFix posted about this on the Fuze forum over a year ago. The bottom line was that the measurable differences were too small to be heard from good equipment, let alone portables and certainly far from "night and day".

What ever you have been hearing, or think you have been hearing is nothing more than the deficiencies in your portable rigs or more probably your imagination.

The line out from a Fuze is nothing like the line out from an ipod. An ipod can benefit from a line out, a Fuze does not need it because the chip sends the same signal to both the headphone jack and the line out.

Furthermore, unless you need rock concert volume levels, there is no reason to amp the Fuze at all.

USG

Edit: The last two guys who were talking like this were also selling LODs on the side and using the forum to promote their products to unsuspecting people. I hope you're not one of them.

[Woody469]

Originally Posted by upstateguy

Excuse me, what part of "search the thread before you shoot off your mouth" were you having trouble with?

By the time the signal passes through the friction plug connection, the solder joints, the caps and resistors of your line out docking cable and then through the electronics of your portable amps, all you are hearing are the deficiencies of your portables. If you try listening with a M^3 or GS-1 with some 650s or 880s you will quickly realize that there is no noticeable difference between the LO signal and headphone jack signal.

SansaFix posted about this on the Fuze forum over a year ago. The bottom line was that the measurable differences were too small to be heard from good equipment, let alone portables and certainly far from "night and day".

What ever you have been hearing, or think you have been hearing is nothing more than the deficiencies in your portable rigs or more probably your imagination.

The line out from a Fuze is nothing like the line out from an ipod. An ipod can benefit from a line out, a Fuze does not need it because the chip sends the same signal to both the headphone jack and the line out.

Furthermore, unless you need rock concert volume levels, there is no reason to amp the Fuze at all.

USG

Excuse me but aren't you the guy who doesn't have a Fuze LOD and can't really comment one way or another? Furthermore I have tried "my" Fuze LOD with my M5s AND my 650's and can honestly say you have no idea what you are babbling about. After reading your comments here and elsewhere its clear that my "no disrespect intended" disclaimer was not meant for you.