Are Non-believers happy with their systems?

[Muftobration]

I am satisfied with my headphones. I have sold my Heed CanAmp and just run my cans directly from my modded X-Fi here at school and through my receiver back at home. The sound is very pleasing to my ears, but I prefer it directly from my sound card rather than through the analog inputs of my receiver. I will try using PC digital out to the receiver this summer with a sexy 12' cable I got at monoprice for less than $10 and will see if that sounds better to me than using the X-Fi's analog outs. Other than that, I will just try out more headphones out of curiosity and might make a source or amplifier for fun.

[olblueyez]

Originally Posted by linuxworks

that's a perfectly FINE cable for digital audio.

in fact, its often better than the stuff I use

my bits still get there. not once has a bit stopped to ask me for directions

And for Analog?

[olblueyez]

Originally Posted by ILikeMusic

You nailed it.

Those of us 'of a certain age' remember analog audio and the time when there really were significant differences between one component and another. In the current era with everyday specs of 90+ dB SNR, 20-22kHz +/- 0.1 dB, 0.001% THD, and zero wow/flutter (things that we couldn't achieve at any price in the old days) people are left to try to imagine minute differences in a host of sources that in reality are virtually identical... and so they do, for the reasons you describe so well above. It's a real chuckle sometimes.

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Sources are virtually identical?
What does this have to do with cables?

[ILikeMusic]

Originally Posted by olblueyez

Sources are virtually identical?
What does this have to do with cables?

I didn't mean just sources, I was referring in general to the desperate search to find some differentiating factor, real or (more often) imagined. Differences still exist in transducers of course and probably always will due to their nature, and to a lesser extent in amps, but much of the rest is nothing but splitting imaginary hairs, especially in a portable environment.

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[elrod-tom]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

After the reminder, just telling you that your whole response is nonsense. Sorry if it sounds harsh or not, but I just have to say it loud and clear. The first paragraph is quite laughable.

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Don't know why I am trying to reason with you here, my attempt will fail and you will think I am attacking you (as other member pointed out), which is not the case.

Hmmm....tell me, exactly what is it about the first quote that a reasonable man wouldn't conclude was an attack?

[linuxworks]

Originally Posted by olblueyez

And for Analog?

you've seen my pics

I use short junk wire for my internal connections (on prototypes, of course). but I'm not one to overspend on any kind of wire. I've found that using even modest wiring gets me enough 'fidelity'.

the final .01% just is noise to me (lol). the engineer in me just can't be bothered with minutia like that, really.

[linuxworks]

Originally Posted by ILikeMusic

You nailed it.

Those of us 'of a certain age' remember analog audio and the time when there really were significant differences between one component and another. In the current era with everyday specs of 90+ dB SNR, 20-22kHz +/- 0.1 dB, 0.001% THD, and zero wow/flutter (things that we couldn't achieve at any price in the old days) people are left to try to imagine minute differences in a host of sources that in reality are virtually identical... and so they do, for the reasons you describe so well above. It's a real chuckle sometimes.

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+1 for this post.

slightly related anecdote: I was listening to an album that I had from 20 or more years ago. it was from the time when 8-tracks were still popular (sigh, yes, I had one. I was a kid, then) and cassettes were still fighting it out with this bad version of dolby B vs that ultra bad version of dolby C and that strange guy over ththththere with the dbx encode/decode stuff anyway, I was listening to this album and toward the end of the last song, something sounded 'wrong' or missing to me. it was the 'thunk' that happened when the tape ran out. or when the program changed (on 8-track). I got used to the interruption of the song (or the early close of a song followed by the reverse or eject of a tape) and when I listened to the cd 'clean' version, the song was intact but my memory of it was already screwed up and sort of ruined

we have NONE of those ugly issues today. files can be as long as they want. we don't have wow, we don't have flutter (well, most of us don't), we have flatness across the audible range and we have a noise floor lower than most commercial recordings we own. I don't even have to 1:1 realtime copy music to a portable format (cassette, DAT) anymore - I can fill a usb thumbdrive or other portable playback/storage device and be on the way in minutes.

the industry DID solve most of the pending problems. they ran out of things to sell us!

I don't remember 'power cords' being a big fad when I was growing up. we had more serious things to fix than that (lol). the power-cord guys (etc) only came on the scene when there was nothing but bone left to pick.

[ILikeMusic]

Originally Posted by linuxworks

I don't remember 'power cords' being a big fad when I was growing up. we had more serious things to fix than that (lol). the power-cord guys (etc) only came on the scene when there was nothing but bone left to pick.

Yeah, when you're sweating 7 1/2 vs. 15 ips it's hard to get too worked up over a power cable...

[BIG POPPA]

With a power cable, I look first that it does it job. Secondly, I look how it colors the sound of what it powers. To me cables color the sound. I have made them with copper, silver plated copper. With Gold plated plugs, Rhodium plated, Rhodium plated silver. I wish I could say cables don't make a difference and my system sounds great with cables that just work. Listen to too much music for that to happen. Notice every little thing to let anything slide by.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by elrod-tom

Hmmm....tell me, exactly what is it about the first quote that a reasonable man wouldn't conclude was an attack?

Well firstly he would read again what he had written (that would be the case of olblueyez), would then realize that all the things he had said had no logical basis and could not be proven in any way hence realize what I have said was no attack, just the plain and simple truth.

Then, just to show you all the nonsense behind cables, how come Big Poppa claim that cables do the exact opposite than olblueyez? I bet they have both spend hundreds (or even thousands) on trying different cables on power cords, yet each one of them believes each cable brings/allows something different. From a scientific point of view, if there should be changes when using cables, shouldn't those changes be exactly the same for everyone (no time for doubts)?

Also, how come a power cable not do the job right? Are you telling me that one cable can let electricity flow through only through one part of the circuit board (not doing the job right) whilst other gives power to the whole board? Don't you see behind all of those thoughts nothing really makes sense?

Oh and slindeman, I have a pair of Grado sr225

Plus to finish with my reply, olblueyez, Uncle Erik is not cheating in any way. He might also like fancy looking cables. I have seen he is building some Linkwitz Orion+, pricey equipment with an atypical construction for a pair of speakers. Have read some opinions about them, they say they sound quite nice. If he then wants to use them with fancy looking cable that is fine with me. I won't call him a hypocrite.
You, olblueyez bring us your ideas as if you were a messiah, and we even have to be thankful with you... Give us a break.

[olblueyez]

Headphone Inventory
Grado Sr-225
Phonak PFE
Shure Se-210
Sony DR-BT21G (Wireless headphones)
Sony EX-082
Headphone Amp Inventory
Fiio E5 / E3
Little Dot I+ with 6J1 tubes
Source Inventory
Portable:
Cowon D2
Sony Walkman A829
Sansa Clip
Home: None yet

I can see how you obtained all your conclusive knowledge. Maybe you should ask around before you go telling everyone my posts don't make sense and yours do. As usual someone with no experience telling everyone one in no uncertain terms what is and what is not.

BTW: If you think for one second that people cant see your efforts are personal and not based on logic or experience then I got news for you. Like I said before, I feel sorry for you, You were done before you even got started, if you ever do get started.

As for Erik, he speaks of people wasting money and using his own logic he is too. I also noticed that no one jumped in to say they use 3 dollar cables. Flame on if you like. I really don't care. It just makes you look bad.

BTW: I don't judge people buy the price of their equipment but when someone who has equipment like not-so-bullseye goes telling people all this stuff he couldn't possibly know I feel like I have to call him out, especially when its directed at me. Bullseye and a lot of non-believers have judged me and a lot of others for the price of our equipment, that is for damn sure. I guess if he cant rise then he will try and bring everyone down to his level. Racist cables, WTH.

As for your comments about BigPoppa, I explained why people like yourself cant understand the language people use why describing cables, so your wrong about that along with everything else.

People just seem to cut off their noses to spite their faces because they just cant seem to get their heads around the fact that cables can allow detail, dynamics, warmth, impact, weight, pass through unaltered as compared to the rat shack stuff. Im not telling anyone they "ADD" anything but allow your equipment to perform at its best.

It is my recommendation to you to choose a subject you know about, especially on a public forum.

BTW: have you bothered to roll some tubes with your Little-Dot I+? GE, RCA, and Mullard made that tube and they are available on eBay cheap?

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by olblueyez

Headphone Inventory
Grado Sr-225
Phonak PFE
Shure Se-210
Sony DR-BT21G (Wireless headphones)
Sony EX-082
Headphone Amp Inventory
Fiio E5 / E3
Little Dot I+ with 6J1 tubes
Source Inventory
Portable:
Cowon D2
Sony Walkman A829
Sansa Clip

Home: None yet Grado + LDI+ + Cowon D2; I haven't updated that but I have some DIY cables, going to get soon some M8100 tubes and the DEQ2496 DAC/EQ

I can see how you obtained all your conclusive knowledge. Maybe you should ask around before you go telling everyone my posts don't make sense and yours do. As usual someone with no experience telling everyone one in no uncertain terms what is and what is not.

As for Erik, he speaks of people wasting money and using his own logic he is too. I also noticed that no one jumped in to say they use 3 dollar cables. Flame on if you like. I really don't care. It just makes you look bad.

BTW: I don't judge people buy the price of their equipment but when someone who has equipment like not-so-bullseye goes telling people all this stuff he couldn't possibly know I feel like I have to call him out, especially when its directed at me. Bullseye and a lot of non-believers have judged me and a lot of others for the price of our equipment, that is for damn sure. I guess if he cant rise then he will try and bring everyone down to his level. Racist cables, WTH. Congrats, you made it. You saw that my example was nonsense. You have to deal nonsense with its same medicine

It is my recommendation to you to choose a subject you know about, especially on a public forum.

That I have this rig or that other rig doesn't tell what knowledge I have. I have been reading a lot about everything from this or that point of view. I have a source (Matrix Hi-Fi) where they have done tons of DBT between loads of equipment. Where there are people who really know what they are talking about. People who unlike you have tried high-end in all its ways including cables and have realized over time that it is all BS. Have realized that with 1/10 or more of the price they payed they could have an equipment that would leave what some consider "high-end" in the shadows (to say it in some way).

You always bluff about experience this, experience that, and that is everything you get, subjective experience with nothing to back up your ideas. You fear DBT because your world will start shaking.

I don't need to try some power cables, silver plated interconnects, etc to know they are all snake oil. There is science behind it to give me enough proof that backs up those ideas. Even nick_charles's test with cables get to the same conclusion. Nothing in the audible spectrum changes when using this or that cable.

Oh and to finish with as I have to leave. You think people are trying to "bring down to their level", when what we are trying to do is to help people reach the level necessary to UNDERSTAND what is behind all that cables magic properties. To help people understand why some cables are sold at xxxx$, because they are a ripp-off and give money to those cables companies.

Knowledge is what its all about. Understanding how everything works and proving it with other things than fairy tales and subjective opinions.

[olblueyez]

Grado + LDI+ + Cowon D2; I haven't updated that but I have some DIY cables, going to get soon some M8100 tubes and the DEQ2496 DAC/EQ

Hypocrite

We all know you cant build cables for a 60 cents a set.

http://www.southernhillscomputer.com/3mimatotworc.html
http://www.southernhillscomputer.com/3ftrcammx2au.html

I guess the DIY cables and the dac with built in EQ would put Bullseye in the "No I am not happy with my system" column.

Maybe we all can suspend belief for a moment when we read your posts so we can get past the part where your actions don't match your writing.

[Currawong]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

That I have this rig or that other rig doesn't tell what knowledge I have. I have been reading a lot about everything from this or that point of view.

So, in other words, you have read a lot, but have little to no experience for yourself. Are you happy with your system?

[spanimal]

Originally Posted by Currawong

So, in other words, you have read a lot, but have little to no experience for yourself. Are you happy with your system?

Bullseye! or maybe it's ********. Maybe a little more to the left, and up - don't stop shooting now.