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Old 09-24-2008, 03:16 AM   #1171 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by naamanf View Post

Would you actually have to pay duty fees for something you sent off to get repaired?
No, not for the value of the whole item, but in Germany you'd have to pay customs fees and import VAT for the value of the replacement part, the labor costs and the costs of the return shipment.
Especially the part with the duty fees for the costs of the return shipment is unbelievable, I know, but it's an odd fact.
The whole process is a pain in the arse since you have to fill out forms in advance, add a copy of the original customs receipt as proof that you have already payed the duty fees for the whole item when it was imported, and you are dependant on the good will of the customs officer.
Bad mood means the copy of the original receipt has to be attested, you have to prove that the combined costs are not underdeclared (which is impossible to do), the headphones vanish into a dark hole at customs for several weeks and in the end they are inspected to death.The latter is a team sport.They kick them around until they fall into pieces and when you complain they tell you with a grin in the face :
"It's your constitutional right to sue the government.Good luck.Oh wait, there's no way to prove that they were in perfect working order at time of shipment.Or maybe the parcel service messed it up.Who knows ......."
That's certainly the worst case and not the usual procedure but something similar has happened to most people here that deal internationally on a regular basis.

Besides of that it's quite expensive to ship them into the U.S. (more than $120 for a fast, reliable service with tracking number) .Insuring for more than 500 Euros (~$730 ) is unpracticable as far as DHL is concerned.The parcel has to be sealed in a special way almost undoable without the appropriate skills and tools.
When you utilize UPS insuring up to $50000 is no problem but you get hit by the infamous customs handling fee.

I do import and export quite often across the EU borders . I'm quite experienced and I know ways to circumvent some of the costs and hassles.Ways that are different dependant on the country of origin and the particular circumstances.
I'm ready to take the risks and stand the hassles in order to get what is unobtainable or unreasonably priced on our local european market, but all those potential costs and hassles to get some pads replaced? Regularly?
I'm not thrilled about it .......

I do understand that professinal pad locking mechanisms we are used to like bajonet joints etc. might be undoable due to economies of scale effects, but something simple and cheap like the removable Stax Lambda pads that are glued onto the headphones with double sided tape is certainly doable.
Nowadays there are even way better glue technologies.I have some very powerful double sided glue strips made by the german company Henkel.I believe 3M produces something similar.This stuff should be easily sufficient to glue leather pads onto headphones in a firmly manner and nevertheless this strong stuff is detachable without a residue or other traces by twisting it.
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Old 09-24-2008, 03:16 AM   #1172 (permalink)
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I wonder if any headphone maker has ever considered using the same memory foam material that in in Tempur-Pedic beds for their pads. I've used a Tempur-Pedic pillow for over two years, and the material has not lost its form.
...not only that, but the foam would conform to each person's ear to create a perfect seal for each wearer.

I take my Tempurpedic pillow with me to hotels at least twice a week, squish it into the top of my luggage, and within minutes it returns to it's natural state. Thanks to NASA for that and many other great inventions.

I'm puzzled by this whole new dialogue about concerns about the earpad replacements.

We have been talking about these headphones since I got the first one after a NYC meet last November, and many of our concerns have been addressed (the sound has never been a question except for the 1.3's which had bracing and a different grill which degraded the sound).

Now that most of the concerns have been addressed, now this new one pops up. Even if it was mentioned slightly before, will the potential buyers ever truly be happy with the fact that a new electrostat has hit the market, which sounds really, really good?

A person has to chose their battles and except that everything can't be exactly how they want it. I've had O2's and HE-60's for years, and the 1.2's for a year and never had dust or earpad issues. Maybe I'm just lucky.

Regardless, from colored shrink tubing to long pin teminations, "you can't please all of the people, all of the time"!
Even a nice traditional Chinese case with an age old latch has come to question. Take the case, like I have with my R-10's, and store in nicely in your closet, and buy a $30 flight case online and be done with it
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Old 09-24-2008, 03:28 AM   #1173 (permalink)
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I think they'll switch back to the black shrink tubing because immtbiker probably received a prototype model where they wanted to label the left and right phones by the tube color rather than using the (more expensive?) molded plastic:



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Old 09-24-2008, 03:55 AM   #1174 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by immtbiker View Post

I'm puzzled by this whole new dialogue about concerns about the earpad replacements.
Really?
I'm puzzled about the unnecessary and really odd design decision.
I own (or did own in the past) >30 different headphones from at least 9 different manufacturers, and there is/was certainly none without user replaceable pads.
What would you think about an innovative car from Germany that has to be shipped back across the pond to the manufacturer for tire replacement.
This wonderful car is equipped with the newest long life tires that do last 40000 miles, but still ......
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Maybe this has been answered before and I missed it:
Did anyone ask whether the pads are replaceable at all or not?
And if they are ( I hope so) is the U.S. based distributor prepared for the task or do they have to be shipped to China?
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:11 AM   #1176 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Nankai View Post
If we made the pad replaceable, the structure will be totally different. Sound will be very different (not positive), too. Pads on HEAUDIO JADE will last at least 3-5 years because they were made of the best sheep leather we can find. Pads on HEAUDIO 1.2B is not as soft as those on JADE, but they were also made of real leather. Most of the pads from other headphones were made by Leatherette (include STAX OMEGA and O2), which only last about one year. SONY R10 pads were made of good leather, and are not replaceable. Btw, US customers will ship their products to our NYC office when they have warranty problems.
Thanks for the answer.

Is there also an european office or do europeans have the ship the phones elsewhere for warranty?

Questions to experienced 1.2B users in this thread:
Could I get a good sounding rig with this headphone as main headphone WITHOUT entering high-end territory amps and sources? Should I forget about this headphone unless I have the funds for KGSS/BHSE + a matching source? Which amp is the cheapest amp to even consider pairing this headphone with?

(I know this is the HIGH-END forum and I shouldn't even ask questions containing "cheap" here, but this is the HEAUDIO thread after all)
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Originally Posted by Henmyr View Post
Questions to experienced 1.2B users in this thread:
Could I get a good sounding rig with this headphone as main headphone WITHOUT entering high-end territory amps and sources? Should I forget about this headphone unless I have the funds for KGSS/BHSE + a matching source? Which amp is the cheapest amp to even consider pairing this headphone with?

(I know this is the HIGH-END forum and I shouldn't even ask questions containing "cheap" here, but this is the HEAUDIO thread after all)
I think the HEAUDIO 1.2B were offered with a dedicated amp that was "cheap" (as in not as expensive as BHSE...). Don't know if the JADE will be offered with the same amp though.
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Most of the pads from other headphones were made by Leatherette (include STAX OMEGA and O2), which only last about one year.
There is no truth to this. The SR-Omega pads are indeed pleather but last for 10 years at least (I have quite a few new and used sets) and the SR-007 pads are 100% leather unlike the Mk2/A pads which have some pleather in them. The leather in the SR-007 Mk1 pads will last for years but the foam is so soft that I'd replace them every 2-3 years. The Mk2/A pads are stiffer so should last longer.

If the pads are mounted with double sided tape then they would be easy enough to replace (30 minutes max, like an old Lambda) or is there something stronger used?
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Originally Posted by cosmopragma View Post
Really?
I'm puzzled about the unnecessary and really odd design decision.......
Perhaps I worded it incorrectly.

What puzzles me, is that after 3 revisions and a 118 of pages of discussion, why has the pad replacement become such a hot topic now, after most of the concerns expressed by us, were taken care of.

Of course I want a headphone (and a car for that matter) that will last into the next millineum. Maybe it was brought up previously (I'm sure sure someone will dig something up as we are quite a resourceful group) but it was never focused on like this.
We will always find something to find fault with, but the main idea of this thread was that we now have a new electrostat to add to our stables in a era of dying new stat inventions.
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Perhaps I worded it incorrectly.

What puzzles me, is that after 3 revisions and a 118 of pages of discussion, why has the pad replacement become such a hot topic now, after most of the concerns expressed by us, were taken care of.
It was brought up before (I'm too lazy to search for it) but if the pads are indeed mounted with double sided adhesive then there should be no problem to replace them in the field.
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