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01-20-2008, 03:57 PM
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Looks of a headphone last about two seconds after they go on my head. I owned a pair of Audio-Technica W2002's - arguably the most beautiful headphone ever - and they didn't sound particularly great.
Most important attributes are:
1. Sound quality
2. Construction quality
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10. Looks
Hopefully the v1.3 will come closer to v1.2 after some burn in. I am sure that amplifiers will play a large part in the resulting sound too. For a peak at the HEAUDIO e-stat amp prototype, check out lan's videos from the last NY meet.
Thanks for taking the plunge, Dave. I'm sure you will have many happy hours of enjoyment with them.
Lastly, I thank spritzer for sharing his extensive knowlege of electrostatics, both here and in other related threads. We all benefit from that.
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01-20-2008, 04:16 PM
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A very interesting new headphone. Certainly despite its downturn in looks to the more individual from the 1.2 to the 1.3, it doesn't come close to the AMT or the TakeT for fugly.
I look forward to future impressions from members, and I love Steves new signature.
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01-20-2008, 06:04 PM
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Happy to help.  The HE 1.3 really needs to be compared to its nearest competitor, the Airbow SR-SC1. It retails at around 80k Yen in Japan and while it looks and smells like the SR-404 the sound is much improved. The annoying bass bloat of the Lambdas is gone and they sound is much more linear and controlled. It is also more laid back and the sound stage is better controlled. It's a shame that there aren't more of these around here in the West.
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spritzer, would the Airbow SR-SC1, and Stax 303/404 have problems with the backwave because of the grill as you mentioned the 1.3 might have?
I had the 404's and didn't like them and moved up to the O2's because they were a bit bright and forward. However, the whole back of all three of the headphones contain a grill that encompasses the whole rear of the earspeakers and I'm not sure if it affected the sound.
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01-20-2008, 06:28 PM
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spritzer, would the Airbow SR-SC1, and Stax 303/404 have problems with the backwave because of the grill as you mentioned the 1.3 might have?
I had the 404's and didn't like them and moved up to the O2's because they were a bit bright and forward. However, the whole back of all three of the headphones contain a grill that encompasses the whole rear of the earspeakers and I'm not sure if it affected the sound.
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They are affected and it is clearly audible but then again it is a 1979 design. It's it amazing just how much performance they have managed to squeeze out of those old frames. With the Lambdas it is a combination of the plastic frame resonating and partially blocking the backwave. The SR-SC1 is cryo treated, twice, so that must change the resonating properties of the plastic (a cryo treatment rearranges the position of the molecules to create a more linear structure) so most of the midrange nastiness is gone. It could also be that the diaphragm has also been altered or the glue bond that fixes the driver to the baffle. I've never tried the drivers in some other housing so it's hard to be sure what causes the difference.
The whole area of backwave absorption/diffusion is a big deal when it comes to speakers and Sound Lab even created pillars to place behind the huge speakers to deal with it. It is the sole reason why planars need to be moved out into rooms and are often raised up on stands.
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Interesting! Thanks for the impressions David
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01-20-2008, 07:29 PM
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I actually like the look of them, all they need is the same dark stain and lacquer on the cups, grill and headband. Then they'd look great.
Although I'd hesitate to pull anything DIY on cans that cost 1k.
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01-20-2008, 07:38 PM
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Punnisher,
I agree, I think if the entire headphone was similar in color as the mahogany/rosewoodish color then the phones wouldn't look half as bad. It'll at least not have as much contrast with the black grill..
Can' wait til they arrive to see them in person.
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01-20-2008, 07:39 PM
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Not to threadcrap but this goes out to Aaron.Remember us talking at the last meet about you wanting to do some longer listening sessions with the HE90/Aristeaus rig?Well I think this is a great idea in light of your new addition.It may take me a few days to pack everything up and get it to you,but I don't mind at all.I've got the HD650's here to occupy me and I have'nt been doing much listening lately anyway.I will expect a nice little comparison/contrast essay,as will a few others I imagine,though.You could keep it until the National,or send it back sooner if you choose.Gary.
P.S.I hope you're ready for some Patron,buddy.
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01-20-2008, 08:11 PM
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Wow! What a gracious offer!
Aaron that would be a fantastic opportunity to both compare the sound of the two headphones, and to try the new phones on the Aristeaus, should you choose to take him up on his offer. 
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01-20-2008, 09:40 PM
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Nice, I was hoping for more information on these headphones. They definitely interest me a great deal, and are on my "to get eventually" list. I would like to hear some comparisons with the O2.
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I'd be a fool to turn that down. Thanks Gary!  Patron Silver over the Gold any day.
When you're ready I'll PM you my info.
BTW- After 18 hours, the soundstage has risen higher (from upper to lower, but not front to back) and the reverb or recess of the mids and vocals is starting to warm up and solidify.
After 100 hours I will assume that the presentation will be pretty finalized with only slight changes after that, good or bad.
The real positive of this, is that I have the 1.2's to make a direct comparison to. The 1.2's are one of my favorite headphones of all in my experiences, considering comfort, price structure and sound. If the 1.3's final sound resemble the 1.2's, then Head-Direct is going to have a hard time keeping up with their orders.
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Yes that really is quite generous. Thank you for offering to do that Gary!
So, how many words long should we insist Aaron's essay be?
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01-20-2008, 09:58 PM
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I insist he be as verbose as possible.I'll start packing up tomorrow Aaron,and yes,Silver all the way.gary.
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Not to threadcrap but this goes out to Aaron.Remember us talking at the last meet about you wanting to do some longer listening sessions with the HE90/Aristeaus rig?Well I think this is a great idea in light of your new addition.It may take me a few days to pack everything up and get it to you,but I don't mind at all.I've got the HD650's here to occupy me and I have'nt been doing much listening lately anyway.I will expect a nice little comparison/contrast essay,as will a few others I imagine,though.You could keep it until the National,or send it back sooner if you choose.Gary.
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