Smyth SVS Realiser Virtual Surround Technology for Headphones

[Cecala]

Originally Posted by ingwe

.....I don't think there is anyone on this board who is even remotely qualified to have the opinion that other companies have accomplished what the Smyths have accomplished other than at the most banal, superficial level.....
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I agree with you totally, I found the
Beyerdynamic Headzone® PRO XT quite some time ago and quickly surmised that this was a stop gap solution. People don't believe me when I tell them that noise canceling technology that uses a microphone and then inverts the sound to cancel itself out was invented in the 1920s. What the Smyths have achieved is to apply several known or established technologies and perfect them. Most of what we need has already been invented- Cancer was effectively cured in the 1930s but that is another story....
What this unit of theirs is capable of is astonishing though, and I for one cannot wait. Even if in the end it costs 5000 Dollars, it is still quite cheap considering that you can replicate a 200,000 Dollar system and more.
From what I read the system works best by using open headphones and this is the only little hiccup so far, a small price to pay considering the quid pro quo.

[wavoman]

Originally Posted by ingwe

Mike Smyth told me personally, to my face, in English that the only thing they've done was taken known research and knowledge (some over 50 years old) and have applied it in a novel fashion.
...Waveoman, I'm not addressing only your statement. It was simply the most convenient.

I agree with your post, and Cecala's. And no offense taken. The thing is, I was left with the opposite impression ... in particular, I thought they were claiming that much of what they showed was new. Therefore, when I did my research and came across beyer's patents and products, I felt that more research and listening were necessary before we all became Smyth fans.

The fact that they told you directly the true facts means this might have been all my misunderstanding, I just don’t know.

But make no mistake, I love the Smyth product. I was blown away by the demo. I plan to buy one!

Now as to qualifications re figuring out who invented what, sure, we are not patent attorneys, but it’s not hard to observe that other companies use headtracking, other companies measure HRTFs, etc. etc.

And I have done that. And talked at length to the beyer folks in Germany. And listened to the beyer unit (consumer, not Pro), and let others listen to it at the NJ meet.

As Mike Smyth himself says, the HeadZone home unit is directed more at movies, and shines on DTS (which he invented!). We proved that at the NJ meet.

For room virtualization with headphones of redbook two-channel audio, I would conclude Smyth is king, based on what I have heard so far. I have not heard the beyer Pro unit, that is next up.

[ingwe]

I hear you. These are exciting times though.

[SunDevil]

Originally Posted by ingwe

Mike Smyth told me personally, to my face, in English that the only thing they've done was taken known research and knowledge (some over 50 years old) and have applied it in a novel fashion....

Isn't this what we are all doing??? We all take existing technologies and try to improve it. We at beyerdynamic are just trying to come up with solutions for the market. I think the most important thing is that the goal is reached. You like the Smyth unit better? It's ok with us, although we rather want you to buy Headzone®. To my opinion we all have to work together to make good products (like Mr.Jecklin cooperated with Peerles MB at the beginning of the 80's to produce the PMB 100 etc.). It's too bad won awards are claimed to be "bought" by us or any other company winning an award for their product.

Greetings,
Peter Grooff

[SunDevil]

Originally Posted by Cecala

...Cancer was effectively cured in the 1930s but that is another story....

Very funny...although it doesn't belong in this thread: cancer has already been cured in the 1930's...that's why many people still die because of this desease....

[malldian]

Originally Posted by SunDevil

Very funny...although it doesn't belong in this thread: cancer has already been cured in the 1930's...that's why many people still die because of this desease....

Hate to hijack but are you talking about the relation to smoking or something else?

[ingwe]

Originally Posted by SunDevil

Isn't this what we are all doing??? We all take existing technologies and try to improve it. We at beyerdynamic are just trying to come up with solutions for the market. I think the most important thing is that the goal is reached. You like the Smyth unit better? It's ok with us, although we rather want you to buy Headzone®. To my opinion we all have to work together to make good products (like Mr.Jecklin cooperated with Peerles MB at the beginning of the 80's to produce the PMB 100 etc.). It's too bad won awards are claimed to be "bought" by us or any other company winning an award for their product.

Greetings,
Peter Grooff

You sure have a huge chip on your shoulder. And I never said I liked Smyth's stuff better. If you weren't referring to me, then don't quote me.

[SunDevil]

Originally Posted by malldian

Hate to hijack but are you talking about the relation to smoking or something else?

I'm talking about Cecala saying cancer was already cured in the 1930's, where I am asking why people are still dying because of this desease than??

[SunDevil]

Originally Posted by ingwe

You sure have a huge chip on your shoulder. And I never said I liked Smyth's stuff better. If you weren't referring to me, then don't quote me.

Sorry ingwe, I was indeed not referring to you. I was referring to what Mike Smyth said and I just think that it's something we more or less all do, since almost everything has already been invented a long time ago. So we actually take existing technologies, combine it in an (yet undone) different way, pack it into a box and make it shine. I think it would be amazingly interesting to discuss the processing of the surround signal using the HRTF's or why using average HRTF's or measuring them individually. We, beyerdynamic choose to use an average HRTF since we wanted Headzone® to be easy and fast to set up without having to measure you're own HRTF's...simply purchase the unit (Headzone® Home, Game or Pro), connect it, individualize it by adjusting some settings and off you go. We could also set the unit up with personal, measured HRTF's, but that would increase the costs of the unit again, which we do not want. I am personally very curious what the SVS system will eventually cost.

Concerning the Awards I was referring to somebody who posted here saying awards are not always simply won but more or less bought. With this I wanted to assure you that awards are really won and that beyerdynamic, or any other other company winning an awards do not have any infuence whatsoever.

[ingwe]

Originally Posted by SunDevil

Sorry ingwe, I was indeed not referring to you. I was referring to what Mike Smyth said and I just think that it's something we more or less all do, since almost everything has already been invented a long time ago. So we actually take existing technologies, combine it in an (yet undone) different way, pack it into a box and make it shine. I think it would be amazingly interesting to discuss the processing of the surround signal using the HRTF's or why using average HRTF's or measuring them individually. We, beyerdynamic choose to use an average HRTF since we wanted Headzone® to be easy and fast to set up without having to measure you're own HRTF's...simply purchase the unit (Headzone® Home, Game or Pro), connect it, individualize it by adjusting some settings and off you go. We could also set the unit up with personal, measured HRTF's, but that would increase the costs of the unit again, which we do not want. I am personally very curious what the SVS system will eventually cost.

Concerning the Awards I was referring to somebody who posted here saying awards are not always simply won but more or less bought. With this I wanted to assure you that awards are really won and that beyerdynamic, or any other other company winning an awards do not have any infuence whatsoever.

Fair enough sir. I appreciate the clarification--and I sincerely appreciate that you took the time to express your point of view.

I officially withdraw my "chip-on-the-shoulder" remark.

[SunDevil]

Originally Posted by ingwe

Fair enough sir. I appreciate the clarification--and I sincerely appreciate that you took the time to express your point of view.

I officially withdraw my "chip-on-the-shoulder" remark.

It's ok, no problem. Now let's get back to the subject, cause this is very interesting. Was anybody at the meet on Saturday?? How was the SVS in relation to the Headzone® unit?? Unfortunately I haven't heard the SVS yet...

[Cecala]

Originally Posted by SunDevil

I'm talking about Cecala saying cancer was already cured in the 1930's, where I am asking why people are still dying because of this desease than??

I trust you are living under a rock. The reason people are still dying(I can't believe I have to explain this) is because of MONEY. A patient cured is a customer lost.
Google Royal Raymond Rife if your interested.

[SunDevil]

Originally Posted by Cecala

I trust you are living under a rock. The reason people are still dying(I can't believe I have to explain this) is because of MONEY. A patient cured is a customer lost.
Google Royal Raymond Rife if your interested.

ah ok , thank you for this kind explanation. I wasn't looking at it that way.

[scompton]

Originally Posted by Cecala

I trust you are living under a rock. The reason people are still dying(I can't believe I have to explain this) is because of MONEY. A patient cured is a customer lost.
Google Royal Raymond Rife if your interested.

And a patient dead is a customer lost as well. Insurance companies have a lot of money too and they lose money on cancer patients. They'd be screaming for this if it wasn't BS.

[malldian]

Originally Posted by Cecala

I trust you are living under a rock. The reason people are still dying(I can't believe I have to explain this) is because of MONEY. A patient cured is a customer lost.
Google Royal Raymond Rife if your interested.

I can't believe I have to say this, but thank you for the information...