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08-28-2001, 04:56 PM
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question for vinyl folks
I wasn't sure where to put this thread, so feel free to move it.
Is there a ~$100 way to get into this (without buying complete crap)? Or is there just too much equipment to buy to get a decent sound?
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With $100 you could buy a 2nd hand Thorens TD160/TD166 or a dual CS-505 or something. Those are pretty good entry level turntables, if you're lucky you can find one with a good cartridge and you're ready play! If you already have an integrated amp or pre-amp with phono-in that is.
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08-28-2001, 06:47 PM
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That was one of my main questions. Is it possible to use my Headphone amp as the amp for it, or do I need a seperate PRE-amp first. Also, could I use my Technics A/V Receiver to amplify the signal or is that not enough either.
Why is it I can understand transports, DAC's, Coax, Toslink, etc. But I can't figure out a damn turntable...ehhh!
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08-28-2001, 06:54 PM
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A turntable doesn't give a line-level signal so you can't use your headphone-amp. Most older receivers have a phono pre-amp built in but if yours doesn't have you'll have to buy a seperate or an older integrated amp / pre-amp with a phono-in.
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Unless your receiver has a dedicated phono input, you'll have to get a phono pre-amp, which could be the super cheap (20-40), to the "entry level" (Creek OBH-8, NAD PP-1) which run from 150-200 dollars, and up into super expensive.
Some old school turntables have built in phono pre-amps, but I haven't heard any of them, so can't comment on the quality.
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Project is making their new entry level T/T with a built in phono pre-amp.
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08-28-2001, 08:43 PM
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HMMMMmmmm. I'll have to check when I get home.
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Also, could I use my Technics A/V Receiver to amplify the signal or is that not enough either.
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unless it is a phono preamp it won't work. phono preamps equalize the signal as well (riaa eq). you try that and you wont hear any bass at all.
radio shack makes a $12 phono preamp, although i don't know how good it is...
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Yes,not only does the phono preamp provide gain but also the proper RIAA eq curve.There was a discussion over at the Audio Asylum recently pertaining to cheapie but good sounding phono preamps and it came out that a real sleeper was a unit from of all places Radio Shack (website only)Don't have the model number off hand but this unit has a discrete four transistor circuit and runs on batteries.Price I think was $30
A good but cheap cartridge is the Grado Black at $40
Add a second hand turntable for say $50-$100 and you get there fairly cheap but with good quality
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08-29-2001, 02:11 PM
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08-29-2001, 02:40 PM
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Anything else on that "sleeper" list that plugs into the wall?
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wab: TD160 - entry level? My TD160 (Super BC) had cost ~ 800 DM without arm and pickup... I wouldn't call that entry level, actually... )) But I guess a TD280 would do the job nicely... 
Greetings from San Jose!
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Btw: Thorens seems to be back in business...
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08-29-2001, 04:21 PM
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lini: that's strange, I have seen many TD160's and TD166's here going for less than $100. They seem to be around that price in the US too. For example check this Ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1268597854.
Are we talking about the same TD160?
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wab: Well, the Super BC was slightly enhanced compared to the regular TD160 (Did the standard TD160 come with an arm? I don't remember... I combined my Super BC with a Grace 707 arm and a Yamaha mc pickup...)- but even the standard TD160 was never really cheap. I'd consider the newer TD180 & 190 entry level as well as the TD280 - even if you can't really compare Thorens' entry level with Sony's entry level for example. But I'm not too surprised that even a TD160/166 can be had cheaply, if you buy a used one - most people don't seem to like vinyl anymore. So vinyl is just left to audiophiles and djs, the latter usually prefering Technics-SL12x0-style turntables, of course. Btw: Do you know the Denon DP-DJ151? It's a dj turntable with integrated line and s/p-dif outputs (line/phono switchable) - funny unit... I wonder about its hifi qualities - because it looks like a future-proof and robust beast to me...
Greetings from San Jose!
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