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ahh, soundstage - it is huge - if you use the gel tips rather than the foam tips. when i originally did my auditioning i was using the foamies mostly and found that it had no soundstage but huge bass - in fact with the sony players, too much. now, i am using stock small tips or panasonic small tips - on the bus and plane ride home i looked around several times just to wonder where the birds where and when i should duck.
it was a trick done in a state of trance. yes these have very good stage. the er4 series will get better separation but i have not experienced any iem or canalphone with as good placement/stage as these. everything is perfect. i sold my denon as my atrio were perfect. then i heard these and i have been maybe one of the biggest atrio supporters since last may or april - i sold them. the victor are amazing.
any canalphone will fatigue somehow but these are even less fatiguing than the atrio and denon.
my review is here. I am no reviewer like some on this forum, so please read it for content not quality! the review is always being updated as i find things i like more or less about them - definately the best portable (truly portable i have heard)
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If you get the ER4P after using the Denons, your ears will miss the bass. It's a very clear sounding headphone, but the lack of bass is a dealkiller for most people in this thread.
For me, the most important is clear highs. I love bass to, but highs are what i like the most. If they are better then denons i'll be glad to take them. For electro and rock i could use denons, and for classical and other genres i could use etymotic. Sorry if i 'm ruining the thread
the er4s are great but great highs? no, i would just say overemphasised highs. they are piercing the type that if on speakers or headphones, you will feel okay, that is a bit fun up there but stuck in your ears? say hello to a new constant friend as i did (at low volumes) tinnitus.
the er4s was the fastest seeming phone i have tried and isolated like nothing else, however its highs were so unnatural and made many musics that i had previously loved to be puddles of terror. jazz, no. classical, too analyitical. they are great, but not at all musical. i tend to like analytical phones, beyers dt880 for instance that many are on the fence about, but... the er4s other than raw speed are the least musical phones i have tried. i still prefer them to um2 if i can only spend less than 5 minutes with them as they are great for trance, but bloody painful and no stage at all.
love/hate/love/hate
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To bad....i was convinced that they have best highs of all iems. Oh well, i'm gonna take the victor after all. These denons are best i've heard so far, but they sometimes do have a little boomy bass and too much highs (only a couple of songs though). Ok, enough about my problems about iems. When i find out how to make a tread i'll disturb people there
Oh yeah, i forgot to mention this, thanks to soozieq for this wonderful tread.
I got myself the Denon C 751 for Christmas, replacing my Shure E4s that had a broken casing.
At first the only thing that impressed me right away with the Denons was the build quality, not the sound. After about a week of breaking them in, the bass is really impressive, the highs quite good as well.
I have still gone back to the Shures for the following reasons:
1. I get a good seal on the Denon's, however the sound isolation is not good. I use the phones in planes a lot, and the sounds coming in are still too much. I need no Push-to-hear, because I can hear what is being said quite well.....
2. The cables really annoy me, for one they create a lot of noise unless one sits still, and the use of the extension is always necesary, unless one carries the ipod in the shirt pocket and does not move the head.
I am not sure what the Denon's strength in day-to day use is, they are not suitable as a mobile solution. Maybe I will keep them in the office for when I listen without moving.
Unfortunately Denon offers no foam tips, and the wide diameter of the sound canal makes use of other tips impossible. What a shame, I have really gotten accustomed to the great bass by now. But having to turn them up a lot to drown out outside noise is just not good enough.
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The Denon work well with the Shure E2c orange foam tips, and they need 100-200 hours of burn-in to smooth out.
And, if you turn them so the wire faces up, you can run it over your ears and eliminate microphonics. I use a small rubber band (like for braces on teeth) to act as a slider for the cord, to pull the cord tight under the chin.
I have pics somewhere of the Denon worn cord over the ear...
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