Klipsch Next High End Canalphones

[lewislink]

Who's going to speculate what the next canalphones from Kilpsch will be? I figure they've done all they can do with a single balance armature so the next top ender will be a dual BA set.

I think the X5 will be the platform for the duals since it's large enough for two BAs.

[jant71]

Lewis, did you forget about the Custom-3? Klipsch has always touted it as their best sounding phone though not the most comfy.

[lewislink]

Originally Posted by jant71

Lewis, did you forget about the Custom-3? Klipsch has always touted it as their best sounding phone though not the most comfy.

Unfortunately I have never heard the 3s but I'd say Klipsch' direction would be toward the Image style phones. I believe they had a multi-purpose in introducing the X5. I figure they could bring this size Image out and have the market accept it and then later produce a higher end version with 2 or 3 BAs.

[Aevum]

ok, alot of people dont understand the differance between the custom 2 and the custom 3,

the Custom 2 has a single unit with a dual balanced armature inside, that cover the whole range

while the Custom 3 has 2 units with a single tuned armature inside, one for highs, another for lows

compared to the SE530 and the TF10.pro, which both have 2 units, a single tuned armature for highs and a dual balanced armature for bass,

the differance the custom 3 has against the higher end is that the bass armature is single tuned insted of dual balanced, if klipsch decided to make a high precision 3 unit armature canalphone/IEM, i would consider getting it, becuase it would still be the first universal to carry a 3 driver configuration with each driver covering a distinct range, insted of having a dual balanced armature covering the same segment (bass in this case)

[lewislink]

You're clearly wanting to get an argument going.

[Aevum]

i do, the advantage of armatures over dynamic drivers is the ability to mantain accuracy at small sized drivers, the thing is, that the accuracy is only mantained over a small frequency range, thats why alot of high end iems show a roll off at 15-17khz, theres a harmonics loss there, it is clearly show in the current shure range, where the high end of the spectrum is somewhat limited and requires amping at some times to provide proper definition,

plus, i think dual balanced armatures are a bit of a mis understanding, people would think of speakers, that some speakers bring a main driver, a twitter for the higher range, and a bass driver for the lower range, so you say double or triple armature drivers on a IEM and people thing of something similar, when clearly, it isnt,

[ClieOS]

Originally Posted by Aevum

compared to the SE530 and the TF10.pro, which both have 2 units, a single tuned armature for highs and a dual balanced armature for bass,

Don't really know about the Klipsch, but I do have some comment on TF10 and SE530.

AFAIK, SE530 is indeed two units, three receivers, two ways IEM, but I think TF10 is two units, three receivers, three ways IEM.


On a side note, I think Klipsch should name their next flagship the X11 (ok, I am joking ).

[lewislink]

Yeah, and my see through UM2 have one BA, even though I clearly see two. It must be that they've put a small mirror in there to deceive people into thinking there are more than one BAs.

3 for the SE530
3 for the Triples
2 for the UM2
2 for the Custom-2
2 for the Custom-3

This is all I'm going to say about it. I don't intend to fall into an argument over it.

[Aevum]

i have never examined the UM2, so i cant say how the armatures are configured,

im just saying, theres a difference,
look at the custom-2 vs the custom-3,

the Custom-2 has a dual armature, while theres 2 armatures, they are in the same armature casing and cover the same freqnecy range

while the Custom-3 has 2 armatures, with their own distictive casing, covering each a specific specture of the frequency range,

theres a differenace between 2 armatures and dual balanced armatures,

[ClieOS]

Originally Posted by Aevum

i have never examined the UM2, so i cant say how the armatures are configured,

im just saying, theres a difference,
look at the custom-2 vs the custom-3,

the Custom-2 has a dual armature, while theres 2 armatures, they are in the same armature casing and cover the same freqnecy range

while the Custom-3 has 2 armatures, with their own distictive casing, covering each a specific specture of the frequency range,

theres a differenace between 2 armatures and dual balanced armatures,

Not to be too specific into those Klipsch's IEMs, I just want to point out that it is possible to have both one unit (meaning in one casing), dual receivers, one way (cover the same freq.) BA drive (like Custom2 in this case), and one unit (meaning in one casing), dual receivers, two ways (cover different freq.) BA drive. In theory, both are still 'dual armature' despite the fact the one is one way and the other is two ways.

For example:
One unit, dual receivers, one way BA trasducer: Knowles DTEC Series
It combines two Knowles TEC series BA into one casing (mainly to increase the SPL).


One unit, dual receivers, two ways BA trasducer: Knowles TWFK Series
It has one woofer and one tweeter in one casing, actually designed for used in IEM.


Even if you use the DTEC series, you can probably use a crossover circuit to make it into a two ways transducer (won't be very useful since both receivers inside are full range anyway).

My $0.02.

[lewislink]

You are trying to make it sound like there are less than what is actually there. And you are trying to degrade what people have.

You *clearly* said there were fewer armatures in these canalphones than there actually are.

If an armature is separated from another armature, fine. If two armatures are contained in the same space, fine. If three armatures are contained in the same space or separated into different spaces, fine. But each has multiple armatures.

The Custom-2 doesn't have "a dual armature", it has two balanced armatures. Either that or Klipsch is lying: